QDMAStudy: Shifting Land Ownership patterns

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I'm not at all surprised at the trends and have watched as the leasing decline/purhcase increase has happened with folks I know over the last 10-15 years or so. Lease rate bidding wars have gotten plain crazy in some areas and the resources invested in property improvement (plots, minerals, etc) could be all for nought in the blink of an eye when the lease changes hands.

Becasue of this trend, another concern we might eventually see is hunter density and balancing harvest. Examples might be the fellow buying 40ac for himself, wife, and 2 children or maybe 3-4 guys going in together on 80-100 acres. If there are several small landowners like this in an area you can imagine the impact that a 3 deer/day harvest might have for that locale.

Thanks for sharing; good read.
 
I've being saying for years to all who would listen that lease prices are dictated by the law of supply & demand. Demand has been going down (most areas), while supply has actually been increasing.

Keep in mind I'm speaking in general terms, and locations close to a major metropolitan area should dictate higher lease prices than more rural areas.

There are at least five significant factors which have played majorly into this:

1) Big Buck Destination States Became Way to Expensive for the Market. But as many large landowners watch their properties go "unleased", they will either stop leasing or lower their prices.

2) Wanting to get in on the action, many smaller landowners began leasing. This has created a large amount of "private" hunting lands for small groups of hunters, such as 1 to 4 hunters who go in together, by-passing the big outfitters who tend to drive up prices. We could say both of the above factors are highly correlated with our economy as well. With a good economy, more people were able to pay higher lease prices. With a bad economy, more smaller landowners have figured out they can come up with extra money by leasing hunting rights.

3) Because of the relatively high-lease prices, a significant percentage of those hunters who were among those ABLE to pay such prices ---- they just bought their own land, taking themselves out of the higher-priced lease market.

4) More widespread and improved public land hunting opportunities. Some will disagree. Yes, we've lost a lot of hunting land over time to housing and commercial development. But we also have more deer in more counties than ever before. If you look at TWRA's WMA's, many of them have fewer hunters and much better quality deer hunting than just a few years ago. A growing number are "same as statewide". Not to mention, some of the former "public" lands are now "privately" leased to hunters, meaning there may be fewer public land hunters per acre (on these WMA's) than in times past.

5) There has been a trend of decreased time spent hunting annually even among avid deer hunters, as well as more older hunters dying than younger hunters replacing them.

For sure, leasing has been a factor in all the above. For many, it allowed them to have a place for safer and better hunting. For many, it took away where they had been hunting. Change is constant, and ultimately price reflects value.

My take is even with deep pockets, you will generally be able to lease more land than to buy. If your primary interest is deer hunting on a large intensely-managed acreage, most are going to achieve better quality deer hunting by leasing vs. owning. What one does will ultimately come down to what kind of values he places on other factors besides the deer management and deer management. There are only 24 hours in a day, and only so much one can do in a lifetime.

Nothing really new about shifting land ownership patterns, other than some of the current reasons for the shifts. People moved into cities, people moved out of the cities, people moved to California, now they're leaving.

Another issue is how the internet and cell phones have enabled many people to work from their homes. Many even moved to isolated rural places because of this, only to later conclude they didn't like being so isolated, and are now moving back closer to civilization. This is a part of why some hunters have been buying their land, as much has been relatively cheaper than leasing, except that in most cases it's not a large enough parcel for effective deer management.

Just depends on what you want most.
But my take is these are the good ole days of deer hunting.
 
By the way, I leased my first Kentucky tract (550 acres owned by a single landowner) in 1983. It's a great tract in Trigg Co., KY. Ironically, the quality of the deer hunting today in 2013 is light years better in Stewart Co., TN than what I initially experienced in one of the better areas of KY starting back in the 80's. (Of course, in both places, the quality of the deer hunting has greatly improved since 1983!)

My take is a faster rising quality of deer hunting in TN (and other "non-trophy" states) is taking some of the pressure off the KY leases. Overall, TN will never catch up to KY's ability to grow larger antlered deer, but the gap has been greatly lessened over the past decade. KY lease prices will likely stay in the same ball park in the near future, mainly because many hunters are shifting from more over-priced states such as IL to more reasonably priced states such as KY.
 
I still have more and more contacting me to lease
I think it's growing, at present about 35% of my
land sales listings come from estates. That trend
will continue to grow as land changes hands and
the with 2 or more heirs, I have a tract coming up
with over 30 heirs.

Investors are still another large part of my business
were they buy bigger tracts and sell then off, it
gets more people owning land. I'm now dealing
with old Westvaco tract of 2,000 acres, that was leased
to 3 different groups, one had leased for 13 years.

What we are seeing is many large tracts under
long term leases are currently Under value,
These types are looking to lease again.

Don't look for lease values to drop Any Time Soon
unless the encomany has another major drop,
and if it picks up, deman and prices will continue
to increase
 

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