QDM on land by a highway?

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The property where I grew up, and my favorite place to hunt, also is the place where I see very few mature bucks. It seems my encounters have gone over the years. I got to thinking, what could it be? Hunting pressure in the area is moderate. Deer density is 50+ per square mile (Bedford Va). I shoot a lot of does and always pull the jawbones. I notice the age structure on does seems to be low as well, with none over 4.5, and most 2.5/3.5. I'll see 15-20 yearling bucks in a week of early season bowhunting, very rarely anything over. I've shot two 3.5 year old bucks on that property in the last 15 years.

It dawned on me that the highway seems to be the biggest factor. We have less than a mile of road frontage, probably .75 mile. But on any give year there are 35-60 deer killed on that frontage. Often more than one a night during the rut! It's a two lane road with lots of traffic. They cross from huge cutovers on the other side, to green fields and oaks on my side. How do you manage for quality with that kind of handicap?
 
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You could request deer crossing signs to help drivers avoid hitting the deer. If your does are mostly 2.5/3.5 with some 4.5 your bucks should be roughly the same if you only factor in road kills. Sounds like it might be young buck overharvest? I have a place that is screwed up this way.
 
Rabid Salamander said:
You could request deer crossing signs to help drivers avoid hitting the deer. If your does are mostly 2.5/3.5 with some 4.5 your bucks should be roughly the same if you only factor in road kills. Sounds like it might be young buck overharvest? I have a place that is screwed up this way.

Rabid,

Why would you believe it would be young buck overharvest? I'll give my thoughts, but I would like to hear why you believe too many young bucks are getting killed.
 
pass-thru said:
. They cross from huge cutovers on the other side, to green fields and oaks on my side.

There is your biggest problem. Their bedroom is on the wrong side of the highway. The older bucks are most likely spending the vast majority of their daylight time in that huge cutover across the highway, only coming to your place at night to feed.
 
AlabamaSwamper said:
pass-thru said:
. They cross from huge cutovers on the other side, to green fields and oaks on my side.

There is your biggest problem. Their bedroom is on the wrong side of the highway. The older bucks are most likely spending the vast majority of their daylight time in that huge cutover across the highway, only coming to your place at night to feed.

I agree...we have this same problem (kinda)...but there is no road in between the clearcut and our property. 70% of our property is surrounded by clearcut. They simply stay in that thick cutover and then come onto your place to feed at night. (Thats what they do to us - our whole place is food plots and oaks)

I think you have several options, but 2 jump straight to mind.
1) You know they will be heading back toward the HWY right at the start of light, so if you can intercept them at given location, give it a shot. Or, be there to catch an early-bird right before it gets dark.
2) Do what we did this past spring - We made some small select-cut patches ranging anywhere from 2-5 acres in strategic locations. This will (hopefully) give us more cover for them to stay on our property during shooting hours. If luck is on our side, we will catch them going from one cut to another, or at least have them feel more inclined to travel during hunting hours

Good luck!
 
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BigGameGuy said:
Rabid Salamander said:
You could request deer crossing signs to help drivers avoid hitting the deer. If your does are mostly 2.5/3.5 with some 4.5 your bucks should be roughly the same if you only factor in road kills. Sounds like it might be young buck overharvest? I have a place that is screwed up this way.

Rabid,

Why would you believe it would be young buck overharvest? I'll give my thoughts, but I would like to hear why you believe too many young bucks are getting killed.

Well, I know from the property that i have that no bucks in the mid to upper age classes exist, there is a high harvest of young bucks on neighboring properties annually. Very few if any does are harvested. This can have a serious impact on QDM if you are the only one practicing and regulations are in place that allow high buck harvests and limited or no doe opps. This can result in a herd that consists of young bucks only and higher doe to buck ratios. This has been reported by numerous TN hunters and experienced by me personally. Haven't seen or done studies on the property in question, im just trying to help with the delima. Its either one of the two or a combination vehicle collisions as stated above and young buck overharvest. My place in KY is right on a 4 lane and road kills are common but then again so are mature bucks. ;) I hope that answers the why.
 
Given the data presented above the entire herd is relying heavily on recruitment to keep its numbers up. What this means is that bucks and does alike are getting wiped out every year in high numbers resulting in very few that survive to reach the older age classes. That is why in all their years of hunting the property, they have not come across a doe that is older than 4.5 years of age or a buck that is older than 3.5 years of age. And as pass-thru advised, most are only 2.5 - 3.5 years of age. In other words, the entire herd is experiencing extremely high mortality.

Although pass-thru did not mention the size of the property he did mention a fairly dense deer population (50 deer/sq mile). What really caught my attention however is that he sees 35-60 deer killed annually along a 3/4 mile section of the road. That's wiping out every deer in a square mile or half the deer in two square miles which, property-wise, is a pretty large chunk of real estate. Pass thru also mentioned that he sees 15-20 yearling bucks each year which means there probably 15-20 yearling does in the area as well. In other words, there's at least 30-40 fawns surviving to be recruited each year. That's pretty high recruitment from the adult herd which is seen regularly from herds that are overexploited (have a high mortality rate). They make up for it by having lots of babies.

So where am I going with this?

What I am finding more and more these days are guys immediately focusing on the bucks and believing there is something wrong if young bucks die. Is this an offshoot of the growing QDM movement? Heck yeah it is. Quality deer management should focus on total herd health not just buck health. Unfortunately the parent program sometimes strays from this philosophy and gets caught up in the buck side of things too. Trust me, I am not trying to single you or any QDM practitioner out. I'm just trying to give everyone advice when approaching a new situation (property). The best thing to do is take a step back, clear your mind of all your past experiences, focus on the property before you, and use the data that is presented to makes sound management decisions. The deer landscape can not only change drastically from county to county but from ridgetop to ridgetop. Remember, each property will always be unique in itself.

Pass-thru-

You're screwed. Sorry pal... :D

No seriously, your best management option sounds like you need to reduce the mortality rate on all the deer in the area and obviously the road sounds like your number one problem. If there is any way to create quality habitat on both sides of the road, specifically food AND cover, to reduce road-crossings out of necessity, I think you'll find many more deer reaching the older age classes. It already sounds as if you are not over-harvesting the bucks, so I wouldn't change you harvest strategies at all. I know, it sounds as if you are in a bind because of the road, and quite frankly, you are. Unfortunately, some properties simply need a lot more hard work put into them at no fault of the property owner. Good luck and I hope you can figure a way to reduce the extra road mortality near your place.
 
BigGameGuy, I appreciate your insight.

The propety is about 90 acres. The cut across the road is several hundred acres and about 10 years old. On the far side of our property is a couple hundred acre cut that's five years old. Our property has about 35 acres of hay fields, 20 acres of planted pine thats almost ready to cut, and the rest is mature hardwoods that was heavily select cut 7 years ago, so there's lots of bedding cover on hour land. On the back side of our property there is a 40 acre field and 40 acres of hundred year old timber.

I say 50 deer/mile because that's what the state estimates for the county. But there may well be more in the area where I hunt. Tons of does and yearling bucks. There are always a couple of big boys killed on the road any given year. Other hunters in the area take a couple as well. I found one close to 140" dead in a creek at the end of summer two years ago...presumably EHD. But my observation is that a lot of yearling bucks die on the road. It can be slightly frustrating.
 
You can only do so much management on smaller tracts . I think the best thing to do is control what you can and set harvest goals based on the potential of the property and what the area can produce .
 

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