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<blockquote data-quote="UpperTully" data-source="post: 5213576" data-attributes="member: 1983"><p>Quite a few TWRA guys were against the 20" rule, it's beyond reasonable. It wasn't researched nor was there a single ounce of data presented supporting the original proposed 22" outside spread rule nor the agreed upon 20" outside spread rule.</p><p></p><p>On 4/26/2018, Region 1 Wildlife Manager Jim Hamlington went before the Commission and proposed a 22" outside spread rule for all 9pt or better WMAs along the Mississippi River that had the 9 point rule.</p><p></p><p>Comical to say the least, Mr Hamlington presented no data nor supporting evidence to warrant such a change. Click the link below to see the video and run it up to the 9:45 mark.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/yjCNl3-KC6E" target="_blank">Mr Hamlington's Presentation</a></p><p></p><p>You'll see Commissioner Cox questioning Mr Hamlington on his proposal. He further explains he will later "run some cameras to check and see what we got". He further explains the damage of 2011 too with his off the cuff numbers and with no data to present. (Keep watching if you want to see how professional and well presented the other biologist are compared to Mr Hamlington.)</p><p></p><p>Anyone with any knowledge or researched any data knows mature bucks on the Mississippi River carry characteristics of height and mass more than width. Rarely are there extremly wide bucks harvested on that river.</p><p></p><p>At that moment, I presented the Commission with a plethora of trail camera photos I'd compiled over the years showing the protected class of mature bucks the 9pt rule had created. I showed the Commission what was being killed on the Island, Tully, Moss Island and Earnest Rice. Much of the biological data/measurements I sent came from the Mississippi Delta WMAs because TWRA doesn't check any of those WMAs except the Island. Those WMAs have the same soil make up and habitat characteristics of Presidents Island, Tully, Moss Island and Earnest Rice. The average width was 15-17" if I recall correctly. I highly urged a main beam length rule which would allow for those protected mature bucks under 9 points to be harvested but still protect younger bucks. The Commission never responded back to my email.</p><p></p><p>Later on during season setting the Commission debated the change down to a 20" outside spread rule. Still, no supporting data or research was even given or discussed.</p><p></p><p>Ive attached a trail camera photo from Aug of 2012 that is a perfect example of a classic mature Miss River buck with the height and mass. To this day is an illegal harvest on the 9pt rule WMAs. Over the years I've passed on quite a few bucks on 9pt rule WMAs like this that SHOULD be killed. I'm positive no hunter reading this thread would pass on putting a tag on a old buck like this. It is what it is though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UpperTully, post: 5213576, member: 1983"] Quite a few TWRA guys were against the 20” rule, it’s beyond reasonable. It wasn’t researched nor was there a single ounce of data presented supporting the original proposed 22” outside spread rule nor the agreed upon 20” outside spread rule. On 4/26/2018, Region 1 Wildlife Manager Jim Hamlington went before the Commission and proposed a 22” outside spread rule for all 9pt or better WMAs along the Mississippi River that had the 9 point rule. Comical to say the least, Mr Hamlington presented no data nor supporting evidence to warrant such a change. Click the link below to see the video and run it up to the 9:45 mark. [URL='https://youtu.be/yjCNl3-KC6E']Mr Hamlington’s Presentation[/URL] You’ll see Commissioner Cox questioning Mr Hamlington on his proposal. He further explains he will later “run some cameras to check and see what we got”. He further explains the damage of 2011 too with his off the cuff numbers and with no data to present. (Keep watching if you want to see how professional and well presented the other biologist are compared to Mr Hamlington.) Anyone with any knowledge or researched any data knows mature bucks on the Mississippi River carry characteristics of height and mass more than width. Rarely are there extremly wide bucks harvested on that river. At that moment, I presented the Commission with a plethora of trail camera photos I’d compiled over the years showing the protected class of mature bucks the 9pt rule had created. I showed the Commission what was being killed on the Island, Tully, Moss Island and Earnest Rice. Much of the biological data/measurements I sent came from the Mississippi Delta WMAs because TWRA doesn’t check any of those WMAs except the Island. Those WMAs have the same soil make up and habitat characteristics of Presidents Island, Tully, Moss Island and Earnest Rice. The average width was 15-17” if I recall correctly. I highly urged a main beam length rule which would allow for those protected mature bucks under 9 points to be harvested but still protect younger bucks. The Commission never responded back to my email. Later on during season setting the Commission debated the change down to a 20” outside spread rule. Still, no supporting data or research was even given or discussed. Ive attached a trail camera photo from Aug of 2012 that is a perfect example of a classic mature Miss River buck with the height and mass. To this day is an illegal harvest on the 9pt rule WMAs. Over the years I’ve passed on quite a few bucks on 9pt rule WMAs like this that SHOULD be killed. I’m positive no hunter reading this thread would pass on putting a tag on a old buck like this. It is what it is though. [/QUOTE]
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