See what the seeds look like. That will help alot to possibly identify it.These are NOT persimmons. I know them well. I haven't found any persimmons holding fruit this year. Late frost took its toll I believe. Usually persimmons begin dropping in mid to late September here but I located a grove of 10 or 11 last August that were dropping early. It was on a overlooked ridge just across the line from public. Had the 6 mature bucks bedded up there gorging themselves on them. The day they shed velvet all but one dispersed. The one that stayed now lives on my wall lol.