Nosler 86 gr E-Tip First Look

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Package arrived yesterday-9 days from order placed until receipt. Not bad not good. Packed like it was headed for the moon, which is very typical. While the last several 'blem" purchases have arrived in neat generic boxes, just the right size if I don't say so myself, the current shipment is back to the plastic bags.

here are some bullets for comparison

.284 Barnes 120 TTSX then 86 gr E-Tip then 90 gr NBT then 75 grain SBBT (ancient)

The 86 looks more than 25% lighter than the TTSX. I will weigh and post up results.

No specific reference to this bullet in the Nosler manuals or online. I will use the light side of the 85-90 grain numbers. I have Varget, RL15, and IMR4350 The Alliant and Hodgdon sites have other choices like RL19 but that powder is for (generally) heavier bullets and doesn't generate what I want to be seeing. Interesting, the Alliant numbers show a max of 41 grains of RL15 while Nosler shows 39.5 . Of course, if I could get 3200 FPS and sub-moa accuracy I'd burn horse manure, I ain't that fixed in my ways. So yes, I'll give a few of the other powders a try.

I am running desperately low on Federal 210M primers. I have and am going to use Federal 210 primers. May be silliness but I think there is a difference.When I find the ideal load I may try a few 210M's to see the results.

Bench time this evening.
 
My package according to ups left Portland early Saturday morning and hasn't moved since lol.

I have on hand varget, imr 4064, and 4350. I was pushing the 85 sgk around 3200 with the 4064.


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Got mine in today. Very nice looking bullet. Can't wait to get a load. I did load 2 up and done a very unscientific test. I had a bucket over sand I've kept for years. Shot both into the sand and sifted. Bucket was roughly 20 yards. I wanted to chrono the load but I had pulled my battery. Was too lazy to go hunt another one.

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Dave, are you going to hunt with these? If so, why are you not leaning towards the Partition?

FWIW, we have had great success with IMR4064 in the 80-95 grain class. Much better results than any of the RL powders or 4350s.
 
The 86 grain's were a bargain and I was interested in loading and shooting them in the 243.

I have a ton of 90 grain Accubonds loaded with a Nosler book max charge of RL19 which is very accurate. If you want a surprise compare the Nosler loads against the Alliant RL19 recommendations. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/ ... 5&bdid=315

I used to shoot 95 and 100 grain partitions in my 243 and killed many a deer. With the 100 grain bullets I used IMR7828 for decades with very good results.

I have E-tips in 284, 277, and 308. I am gradually loading and shooting them for no particular reason, just expanding my knowledge. I have 120 Barnes TTSX in 284 that seem to be lights out in my 7mm08's.

And just to be safe I keep my Partition supply up to snuff.
 
Sounds like a plan to me :tu:

Yeah, the various "load data" gets perplexing sometimes. I've found variances in published max loads that are ridiculous. Just proves the old rule of starting low and working up. Lots of guys in the 6.5 Creedmoor club are shooting way over published max with H4350 and are having great brass life and exceptional accuracy.

We have two 243s that both prefer IMR4064 with 85s and the accuracy node came well under max published loads. Even as we worked into the pressure signs the accuracy never returned. We just settled for a bit less speed to get the accuracy we wanted. I've always said that an antelope couldn't tell the difference between 2950fps and 3100fps. None of the dead ones ever complained that we shot them with a bullet that was too slow. :lol:

It's a fun hobby and as you well know there is always a combination that puzzles us or exceeds our expectations.

Have fun burning up those things!
 
I agree with the above,,in 243 with 85 gr bullets IMR4064 has worked best in speed and accuracy in several different rifles for me,,with IMR4831 and RL19 a tie for 2nd,,
 
mr.big":1j02vim9 said:
I agree with the above,,in 243 with 85 gr bullets IMR4064 has worked best in speed and accuracy in several different rifles for me
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And it works wonders in 7mm-08 with 140 Bergers. But that's another conversation for another day. ;)
 
Unless you NEED to push it faster for some reason ...... why do so?

Find the accuracy sweet spot and you're good to go.

Also saves money on powder, and extends the life of the barrel.
 
BobTail":23pca2go said:
Unless you NEED to push it faster for some reason ...... why do so?

Find the accuracy sweet spot and you're good to go.

Also saves money on powder, and extends the life of the barrel.
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I have no need in it. I prefer to push it fast but also want accuracy. But I have an idea how fast i can go without pressure. And that's a positive


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I just like to go fast.

Just kidding. However on my 22-250 the group went from 1.5 to around .7 as I inched up the velocity and increased the jump.

This was using Superformance powder. I got nearly the same accuracy and about 200 FPS less with RL15

As usual, it all depends on what the rifle wants to eat.
 
Jump is something I haven't ever really played with. Try to stay less than .010 from the lands. I'm sure I could tighten my groups but I may need new eyes first


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Jcalder":38dslrtn said:
Jump is something I haven't ever really played with. Try to stay less than .010 from the lands. I'm sure I could tighten my groups but I may need new eyes first
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I have one rifle that I have tuned the OAL for. And honestly, most "off the rack" rifles won't be able to tell the difference anyway. We have progressed to Bergers for 2 rifles and are extremely pleased with the accuracy loaded to magazine length even though the general consensus is that they won't tolerate a lot of jump. Unless you're hunting somewhere that lends itself to regularly having 300+ yard shots, or you're simply not satisfied until you milk the last drop of accuracy out of a load, it's largely a waste of time. Of course, shooting competition is another ballgame altogether.
 

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