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just a change of subject from Old Gobbler.




I would join OG, if I could keep up with more than one or two forums at a time, without others going on the back burner. I spend too much time on tndeer now... it's got a little of everything...

Might think differently if yall can give me a good enough reason to join oldgobbler...
 
Swamphunter, I wouldn't go that far..... yes there may be some that frown on killing hens, but it is turkey hunting just the same.... no different than some duck hunters not shooting suzies.... some do, some don't.

Some areas may get so overrun by hens, you may have a very hard time getting a gobbler to play the game.... I have hunted a few places like that in my days...

Catman, join the site and see for yourself.... BOTH are great sites and each have their strong points, BOTH sites have some great folks on them.
 
While I agree at this point in my hunting, there was a time when I first started I just wanted to kill one period same as deer hunting so I get catmans thoughts. Time and experience always shapes a hunters purpose
 
Why have a fall turkey hunt period then..... your just killing next springs gobblers or two year olds in the fall....

I haven't really been able to really get into the fall hunting anyway.... I'm more of a spring-time fellow.


I understand what your saying SH.... I am 33 years old and last spring was the first time in all my years of running around on my grandparents farm to EVER see a wild turkey on the property... it's around southern Benton County.... it was a great sight to behold seeing 6-8 hens with dozens of poults running around them.
 
Hens are just a part of the game, sure some places might be over run with hens but you adapt and overcome. You just have to work around them. Personally i have never, and never plan to kill a hen. I guess i can see hunters that are new to the sport wanting to kill a turkey any turkey,that was not a option when i started hunting birds
 
Yeah I've never killed one but then again I don't really care for fall hunting, however like I said I can understand if someone decides to do so.
 
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You will kill a doe, or a female dove, quail, pheasant, etc... but not a female turkey? Because of something the #1 turkey biologist said... I don't know what context he was speaking in, but in some areas overrun with turkeys I still fail to see why it's a bad idea to kill a hen. You may find this as a surprise, but I turkey hunt for meat. Calling to a gobbler is a huge thrill and a big part of the hunt, but since when does that determine if it's "turkey hunting?"

When I killed the 3 hens on a friend's property, he was wanting to thin the turkeys a bit because they were tearing up the food plots right after they were planted. Out of about 60 birds that were on the property that day, he killed 3 and I killed 3, all of which where hens, and I will let you know in future years if the longbeards just disappear because of our terrible deed.

If people on OG all frown on killing hens, well then they might not like me if I join... I consider myself a turkey hunter, which means I hunt turkeys (hens are also turkeys)... since when is turkey hunting limited to calling an ole longbeard?

I didn't just go and "shoot a hen". I called all morning, got called back at by multiple hens, had 2 in range but no clear shot, and persisted all morning until finally some hens came into range and I got lucky enough to take 3 of them. They didn't gobble or strut but I was meat hunting. I got my thanksgiving bird, and 2 extras. All that is left of them are 4 legs for making stock... I can never get enough of the meat...

Of course as I "mature as a hunter" as some would say, I will probably grow past the "killing phase" and narrow down to old, mature gobblers. That would make sense, happens to a lot of people. Unless I still want the meat as much as I do now, in which case I will keep on killin hens...
 
Swamphunter said:
Grizz, I agree. No reason for a fall hunt, either. No reason to kill spring's strutting longbeard in the fall when they aren't playing the game.

Cat, if you had that much trouble killing a hen on a property "overrun" with them, you might ought to stick to hen killing. Not sure a longbeard is in your immediate future.
I've been in range of and taken shots at longbeards, it's my marksmanship that needs more practice. The property had plenty of turkeys, but does that mean they will always cooperate? It was all wooded hills too. You seem to think fall turkey hunting is easy, like you can just shoot a hen anytime. Have you even tried it before....
 
Ok guys, lets not let this get out of hand.... to each their own... good reasons for hunting/not hunting hens.... No sense in getting in a mud slinging fight on here.... leading to things being said that can't be taken back or someone gets a time-out for.


Catman, if you want to sign up on OG, by all means do, wealth of info over there.

I'm going to sit back now, you guys play nice.
 
Come on now let's not get this into a pissing contest. "killing" should not be a definition of a true or good hunter.
 
Grizzly Johnson said:
Ok guys, lets not let this get out of hand.... to each their own... good reasons for hunting/not hunting hens.... No sense in getting in a mud slinging fight on here.... leading to things being said that can't be taken back or someone gets a time-out for.


Catman, if you want to sign up on OG, by all means do, wealth of info over there.

I'm going to sit back now, you guys play nice.
you might want some popcorn :D

think I may sign up on OG, let me think it over first, just signed up on Tinboats.net...
 
Swamphunter said:
I don't turkey hunt for meat.
That's where we differ then... I think I want the meat as much as I want the rush I get when I hear ole longbeard gobble on the tree right next to me.
 
There is no substitute for the a gobbler playing the game in the spring and harvesting that bird. All the same, if I took a new hunter to my farm in the fall and he wanted to shoot a hen i would encourage him. Find something more important that shooting a hen to complain about and leave the management to TWRA.
 
Cat, if you want to kill hens, have at it. Just not on my place. lol I have no reservations about killing jakes, in fact I'd as soon kill a jake as a longbeard, because they come to calls IN THE SPRINGTIME. In other words, like Swamp said, that's playing the game. Call,answer, come in(well maybe). Some on here are condescending about killing jakes, as if its beneath their dignity. Fine, they is they and me is me. Do what you want to son, within the law, and don't give a flip about what anybody else thinks. Just keep in mind that hens are the future of the sport and jakes are gobblers. They don't lay eggs. lol
 
I am going to throw my 2 cents in here as I love to "turkey" hunt and have been at it for awhile. Let me say, there is nothing like killing a mature gobbler in the spring "playing the game." Most of us would have a low success rate calling in mature gobblers in the fall. One reason some dont do it another reason some dont try is because it is more exciting in the spring. To each their own. The real ol timers like Archibald Rutledge and those kind thought it to be wrong to hunt gobblers in the spring because of mating rituals and because gobbler are more vulneralbe then. Again, to each his own. However this whole perception of killing your future gobblers by killing hens in the fall is non-sense. It has been proven hen mortality is very high like 60% and most hens only live a year or two mainly due to predation while sitting on nest. But again to each his own, manage your spot how you want. But personally I love to turkey hunt and really enjoy hunting hens in the fall. However I do not shoot jakes in the fall because they ARE your future Longbeards nor do I shoot them in the Spring. It is not that I am too good or anything like that, jakes or immature gobblers is not what I am after. If I am hunting with someone and they want to shoot a jake, more power to them. Only people shooting jakes on my spots with me would be new hunters, kids or adults, who have never killed a turkey or many turkeys before...This is just how I feel about this.......Not trying to start anything with anyone or take sides, just my views the subject.
 
Roost 1, just as many hens wont be alive after the first year, neither will a fair share of the gobblers. So why not harvest the surplus that nature is going to take anyway? And as many longbeards have gotten themselves killed acting stupid with me as have jakes. But like you say to each his own. I'll do it my way and whatever you want to do is fine with me. But I go back to the days when turkeys were scarce and only poachers killed hens. If that's the way we were raised then thats what sticks with us,
 
I know where you guys are coming from. I can remember the days when if you saw a turkey you remembered it and kept it to yourself. I would say 90% of todays turkey hunters dont have 10yrs experience. I remember when I started I only knew of 2 or 3 people that were hunting turkeys and none of my friends knew anything about it. Todays turkey hunters most everywhere are spoiled. These are "the good ole days" of turkey hunting.
 
Swamphunter said:
4onaside, you are exactly right. I know you hunt in west TN too and there just arent the numbers here that they have in middle TN. Those guys are dayum lucky and some take it for granted. Keep killing hens and someday they might see how we feel in west TN.
Yeah I do hunt the county with the most turkeys harvested repeated years... that helps, I wouldn't want to kill a hen in an area where the population suffers.
 
the fall hunt only opens up the legality to flock shoot longbeards,or any birds for that matter. there is truly no sound biological reason for a fall hunt.just my opinion
 
Just wondering for the ones who do not agree with hunting hens in the fall, what are your feeling on shooting does...Seems to me for the reasons stated in this thread you would not do that either for fear of killing off your future trophy bucks that havent been born yet. Now, I understand some people in w.tenn dont have a thriving turkey pop but prolly have plenty of deer but surely that hasnt always beent the case.
 
Roost 1 said:
Just wondering for the ones who do not agree with hunting hens in the fall, what are your feeling on shooting does...Seems to me for the reasons stated in this thread you would not do that either for fear of killing off your future trophy bucks that havent been born yet. Now, I understand some people in w.tenn dont have a thriving turkey pop but prolly have plenty of deer but surely that hasnt always beent the case.
I was wondering the same thing....
 
Roost 1 said:
Just wondering for the ones who do not agree with hunting hens in the fall, what are your feeling on shooting does...Seems to me for the reasons stated in this thread you would not do that either for fear of killing off your future trophy bucks that havent been born yet. Now, I understand some people in w.tenn dont have a thriving turkey pop but prolly have plenty of deer but surely that hasnt always beent the case.
I don't do it, not for any biological reasons anymore, since deer are now everywhere in West Tennessee in very good numbers. But for tradition's sake. When I started deer hunting, the only deer in West Tennessee were in Shelby Forest where we got to hunt two days a year, if we were lucky enough to get drawn. Does were legal and I shot at several, unsuccessfully, shotguns only with a bead sight, etc. However, the only deer I ever killed out there was a 7 pointer, after I started using glass with a breneke slug. So, when the herds started becoming established statewide, it was taboo to kill a doe for the obvious reason of trying to establish populations. Got in the habit of not shooting females. I still wont do it. My son does.He likes to eat venison, and I don't have a problem with anyone shooting does, particularly since our place is overrun with deer. Not me, though.
 
Grizz, I think that statement depends on what part of the state you hunt in. You've seen first hand the population of turkeys we have where I live. Just this past week I counted 250+ turkeys in one flock and that was just on one farm. We thin a few hens out every year and it hasn't hurt the turkey population in our area. Now if we didn't have the birds we do and they were hard to come by then NO WAY would I be killing hens.
 
knightrider said:
the fall hunt only opens up the legality to flock shoot longbeards,or any birds for that matter. there is truly no sound biological reason for a fall hunt.just my opinion
I agree. However, in counties such as Dickson, Williamson, etc. the biologists apparently think that the population is such that the fall season does no harm since SIX! turkeys are allowed. I enjoy going just for the sake of going, even though we are allowed one turkey in the fall. For me, it will never be a hen, but I would shoot a gobbler if the right opportunity came along. For me, it is strictly an ambush opportunity. Simply a matter of knowing where the turkeys use, getting in a blind, and having the patience to stay there for extended periods. Not for some people, but I appreciate the opportunity to hunt, if that's what I decide to do on that particular day.
 
Fall hunting just aint my thing (as i have posted on here during fall time period). The places i hunt you can literally set you watch to them and they will be there just about every day. I am fortunate to hunt in some areas covered with turkeys, i just prefer to hunt them when the game is working.
 
WingNut said:
Grizz, I think that statement depends on what part of the state you hunt in. You've seen first hand the population of turkeys we have where I live. Just this past week I counted 250+ turkeys in one flock and that was just on one farm. We thin a few hens out every year and it hasn't hurt the turkey population in our area. Now if we didn't have the birds we do and they were hard to come by then NO WAY would I be killing hens.

True that WN, but in general I would say.... in comparing West Tn.

But don't be telling all our secrets about our birds man..... everyone will know then.... be someone behind every bush :D :grin:
 
Catman that is exactly what got me into hunting anything, for the meat. I was raised a vegetarian, early in life I knew I wanted some meat on the table. Store bought meat with all the crap pumped in them was not an option for me, didn't want to start introducing that stuff to my system. At a young age my folks agreed to taking me to my uncles house to let him introduce me to hunting. I was told if I was gonna eat meat I would have to hunt, clean and cook it myself, & that's just what I did. It has been a few moon's since then and yes I have changed a lot. I still hunt for meat, as well as buy it in the store now too. Hunting has evolved to sport. It wasn't always like that. Like me when I was in a vegetarian run house if I wanted meat I had to go kill it, that is how hunting started in the first place. For one hunter to look down on another for legally shooting an animal then I would say that that hunter doesn't know the true meaning of hunting, or has gotten cought up in the johnson measering contest I see so much.
 
WingNut said:
Grizz, I think that statement depends on what part of the state you hunt in. You've seen first hand the population of turkeys we have where I live. Just this past week I counted 250+ turkeys in one flock and that was just on one farm. We thin a few hens out every year and it hasn't hurt the turkey population in our area. Now if we didn't have the birds we do and they were hard to come by then NO WAY would I be killing hens.

Please keep sharing this valuable info......I am starting to like Chapel Hill more and more....
 

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