New draw question

[RUGER]

So the way I understand it you pick which WMA you want to draw for.
Then you pick up to 24 different blind spots you want to try to get?
Do you list them in the order you want them?

Or am I totally off base?

 

[JBell]

Yea. You will prioritize them 1-24. Then if you get drawn, they will go through your list and give you the highest ranked, available blind on your list

 

[TNGunsmoke]

And if your top 24 blinds are gone, your entry is held until the number of people/parties needed is finished, and then the remaining blinds are assigned in the order you drew based on the blinds left.

 

[drake799]

So what did they say about applying as a group or individual? It's same odds as everyone
Putting in individual?

 

[scn]

So what did they say about applying as a group or individual? It's same odds as everyone
Putting in individual?

It will be the same odds either way. But, there is no adding sign-ons after the draw. So, if an individual is the only one with a blind card, his hunting buddies will have no "right" to the blind on the days he can't make it to hunt. It will be open to anyone on those days.

 

[Levee Jumper]

So what did they say about applying as a group or individual? It's same odds as everyone
Putting in individual?

It will be the same odds either way. But, there is no adding sign-ons after the draw. So, if an individual is the only one with a blind card, his hunting buddies will have no "right" to the blind on the days he can't make it to hunt. It will be open to anyone on those days.

Not sure that's what he is asking. To be clear, is it the consensus that a "party" of 8 people wholistically will have the same odds of getting selected as an individual?

It looks like it would make far more sense that they would draw individual names and if that person was in a party, all party members would get a card. Once party members have a card to a blind they are no longer eligible to be drawn. I get the feeling that this isn't what they have planned.

 

[Dodge Man]

So what did they say about applying as a group or individual? It's same odds as everyone
Putting in individual?

It will be the same odds either way. But, there is no adding sign-ons after the draw. So, if an individual is the only one with a blind card, his hunting buddies will have no "right" to the blind on the days he can't make it to hunt. It will be open to anyone on those days.

Not sure that's what he is asking. To be clear, is it the consensus that a "party" of 8 people wholistically will have the same odds of getting selected as an individual?

It looks like it would make far more sense that they would draw individual names and if that person was in a party, all party members would get a card. Once party members have a card to a blind they are no longer eligible to be drawn. I get the feeling that this isn't what they have planned.

You have to list all sign ons when you enter. Basically it is one person entering with up to 7 other people going to be in his group. They do not want other people signing on after a person is drawn. Because that is when the blind buying happens. If you want until someone has the blind to add signons then there is a chance for people to offer money for the blind and get a card in there name when they sign on.


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[drake799]

If I understand correct. If you put in as a party only the party leader has a chance at getting drawn?? Everyone else on the list is just hoping for the party leader to be drawn is that correct. Because if a party member puts in either individual or on another party list they will be kicked out by the computer correct

Or does everyone on that list have a chance being drawn regardless of the "party leader". Because if not. Basically 8 become 1.

 

[scn]

It is my understanding from what I have read that 8 becomes one. Only the party leader will be entered into the drawing.

Thus, the odds for someone in that group of eight to draw a blind is better if all put in as individuals. The major downside is that if they do draw a blind that way, only one person out of that group of eight will have a blind card. On the days when the card holder can't be there to claim the blind before shooting time, none of the other members of that group have any legal rights to the blind even if they helped build or brush it. They can "hop" the blind like anyone else, but they can't keep others out of the blind.

I hope I am wrong, but I suspect some of the better sites will be drawn by someone hundreds of miles away that will never drive down and even make an attempt at making the blind huntable. Then, it will turn into a temporary blind site for the year.

But, with that being said, I do not see how the Commission in good conscience could have kept the "regular" draw system in place with the increasing covid issues. 2020 sucks for a pile of different reasons.

 

[drake799]

Yes I figured the draw would be computer if this lingered on thru the summer. I don't understand though why individuals whose names are on party list couldn't be drawn though. Seems simple to me Every name should get a chance to get picked and if that name is attached to a party that whole party outta have a blind The whole "leader" thing is a bunch of crap lol. Man Twra really screwed that up

 

[TNGunsmoke]

The way TWRA explained it to me was that the odds are the same for a party or an individual. To me this translates to the party has one entry and so does an individual.

 

[Levee Jumper]

Yes I figured the draw would be computer if this lingered on thru the summer. I don't understand though why individuals whose names are on party list couldn't be drawn though. Seems simple to me Every name should get a chance to get picked and if that name is attached to a party that whole party outta have a blind The whole "leader" thing is a bunch of crap lol. Man Twra really screwed that up

Don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for some. You ask this question and get long winded answers about how the old draw worked, blind hopping, money etc.

 

[Levee Jumper]

Yes I figured the draw would be computer if this lingered on thru the summer. I don't understand though why individuals whose names are on party list couldn't be drawn though. Seems simple to me Every name should get a chance to get picked and if that name is attached to a party that whole party outta have a blind The whole "leader" thing is a bunch of crap lol. Man Twra really screwed that up

Don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for some. You ask this question and get long winded answers about how the old draw worked, blind hopping, money etc.

Not saying solely on this site, but in general conversation.

 

[scn]

Also, asking the question time and again hoping for a different answer probably isn't going to change the answer. It is what it is.

While I can forsee some issues with unbuilt blinds, I sort of like that the new system negates the crew that chartered buses for their group to draw with a majority having little interest in hunting. While nothing is perfect, is should slow down some of the buying and selling of blinds that was getting out of hand.

It will be interesting/different no matter how it works out.

 

[TAFKAP]

I thought everyone in a party had the same chances of getting drawn as an individual. As soon as one of (8) in the party is drawn, the whole group is out of the running and assigned a place based on their list of sites. Is this not correct? Everyone still has the same individual likelihood of being drawn, but by being a part of the group, you're all assigned seasonal "ownership" of a blind.

 

[THE DUKE]

I entered my blind choices and applied them but it never gave me the step or a confirmation did I miss something?

 

[scn]

https://www.tn.gov/twra/news/2020/7/2/c ... rmits.html

"Hunters may only apply for one area and may apply as an individual or a party (maximum of 8). The chance of being drawn is the same for individuals and parties (i.e. a party of one gets only one ticket in the barrel and a party of eight gets only one ticket in the barrel). Applicants can prioritize up to 24 hunt locations and the computer will issue a blind location to successful applicants in the order they are chosen. No priority points will be used or issued."

 

[scn]

I entered my blind choices and applied them but it never gave me the step or a confirmation did I miss something?

If you didn't get a confirmation of the transaction, you probably missed something.

I would log in again and see if the computer has you entered into the drawing. If not, you will need to start over and do it again. When you have successfully completed the entry, you will have a transaction number come up showing that it went through.

 

[Hduke86]

https://www.tn.gov/twra/news/2020/7/2/computerized-drawing-in-place-this-year-for-duck-blinds--sandhill-crane-permits.html

"Hunters may only apply for one area and may apply as an individual or a party (maximum of 8). The chance of being drawn is the same for individuals and parties (i.e. a party of one gets only one ticket in the barrel and a party of eight gets only one ticket in the barrel). Applicants can prioritize up to 24 hunt locations and the computer will issue a blind location to successful applicants in the order they are chosen. No priority points will be used or issued."

Thank you clarifying that part of the equation cause I had a few guys ask me and I told them I'm still confused about the group of 8 and individual but how you explained it makes sense. I also think not only are they trying to stop buying of blinds but they know there's going to be a big influx of people putting in for draws because you don't have to be there in person and it cuts down on names in the "barrel" . I feel bad for the West Tennessee guys cause I expect more folks from this side of the state will be throwing a Hail Mary in the "barrel" to get a spot out in West Tennessee but I'm looking for to how it's going to pan out good, bad, or total mess

 

[scn]

https://www.tn.gov/twra/news/2020/7/2/computerized-drawing-in-place-this-year-for-duck-blinds--sandhill-crane-permits.html

"Hunters may only apply for one area and may apply as an individual or a party (maximum of 8). The chance of being drawn is the same for individuals and parties (i.e. a party of one gets only one ticket in the barrel and a party of eight gets only one ticket in the barrel). Applicants can prioritize up to 24 hunt locations and the computer will issue a blind location to successful applicants in the order they are chosen. No priority points will be used or issued."

Thank you clarifying that part of the equation cause I had a few guys ask me and I told them I'm still confused about the group of 8 and individual but how you explained it makes sense. I also think not only are they trying to stop buying of blinds but they know there's going to be a big influx of people putting in for draws because you don't have to be there in person and it cuts down on names in the "barrel" . I feel bad for the West Tennessee guys cause I expect more folks from this side of the state will be throwing a Hail Mary in the "barrel" to get a spot out in West Tennessee but I'm looking for to how it's going to pan out good, bad, or total mess

Thanks, but that was TWRA's explanation taken from the news release I linked. Maybe it will put that question to rest?

 

[Levee Jumper]

So what did they say about applying as a group or individual? It's same odds as everyone
Putting in individual?

It will be the same odds either way.

With answers like this I don't know how anyone would become confused.....

 

[scn]

So what did they say about applying as a group or individual? It's same odds as everyone
Putting in individual?

It will be the same odds either way.

With answers like this I don't know how anyone would become confused.....

Just how hard is it to understand that an individual with one card in the barrel and a group of eight with one card in the barrel have the same odds of being drawn?

But, since you seem to know it all on the subject, why don't you take a minute to answer the guy's question rather than whining about folks that are trying to help him out.

LOL

 

[Levee Jumper]

"It will be the same odds either way" LOL.

Thanks for standing up for our turkeys by the way.

 

[scn]

"It will be the same odds either way" LOL.

Thanks for standing up for our turkeys by the way.

It is the same odds either way. A group and an individual have the same chance of getting a blind. Not sure where the disconnect is?

Try your hand at explaining it better.

 

[Levee Jumper]

You are 8 times more likely to get drawn as 8 individuals than a party of 8.

 

[Pic IN the Casa]

You are 8 times more likely to get drawn as 8 individuals than a party of 8.

That's what I am thinking.
Not being a smart arse but tell me where I am wrong please.

 

[Levee Jumper]

I think everybody is good now. TWRA's response was more than adequate. Horse is beaten beyond recognition.

As always your knowledge and responses are truly much appreciated. Thanks again for standing up for our turkeys.

 

[drake799]

Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm all set now. Can't wait for the first i drew blind X. Is it worth anything and what all do I need post UGHHHHH

 

[TAFKAP]

"It will be the same odds either way" LOL.

Thanks for standing up for our turkeys by the way.

It is the same odds either way. A group and an individual have the same chance of getting a blind. Not sure where the disconnect is?

Try your hand at explaining it better.

"Groups of multiple people will not have a drawing advantage. Regardless of the number of people in your group, a group only receives one chance at entry. Odds are not multiplied."

 

[GUNNERX2]

I haven't opened up the application but my question is "If I'm not drawn out in the 1st round, can I opt out of the 2nd drawing?" My reasoning is most if not all of the decent blinds and some gar holes probably are going to be taken in the 1st round and all that will be left are sure enough gar holes. I don't want to be assigned a blind that has to be built, won't kill any ducks and I ain't gonna hunt it. According to the old rules, if you draw a blind and don't build/repair it, you are excluded from the next years draw. See my point?

Also, I assume there will not be a list of blind conditions like was made available at the hand held drawings of past. If there is one out there, I haven't seen it.