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Posted this on the CVA Optima thread, but would like to be sure I get some input on my shot placement or anything else I need to be educated on.

OK, here's my first foray and fresh experience into the world of PB tales. I'd had them for a while, just hadn't had a chance to shoot anything but paper with them. Using 295 grain hollow points in front of 90 grains of powder out of a Thompson Encore .50 caliber.

Friday I shot two small deer, yearlings. One was a nubbin buck that still showed traces of a row of spots on either side of its back, one white hair left from each spot. Shot it from 30 yards, quartering away, just behind the foreleg. It dropped like a truck had fallen on it from the sky, but the bullet disintegrated the far shoulder. Made a bloody spot on the far side but didn't pass through.

Second deer was a yearling doe, shot from 40 yards from tree stand angle, basically the same shot placement and results, no pass through. She ran maybe 30-40 yards and piled up. No blood trail, but again, you can't always get much blood in that rocketing first run, and don't need much when the deer's laying in sight.

Yesterday I shot a doe that had come in facing me. From my tree stand to 25 yards out. She wouldn't turn, so I shot her at the base of the neck as she faced me looking up at me. She bucked and took off like a rocket. After I reloaded I heard her crashing a bit in a thicket, then heard her horking up blood. Waited a while, then went down in confidence, found the impact site and hair, but no blood, of course. Worked to the thicket where I knew her to be. Except she wasn't. Found two chips of bone on the trail I knew she took, and eventually found the spot where she'd coughed up a good deal of blood. Besides that spot, and in spite of searching the thickets for over 2 hours, not another drop of blood and no sign of the doe.


My intention was to disintegrate both lungs, which is certainly what happened on my other deer from the day before, but I suspect that the sternum on this smallish doe caused the bullet to frag out and stop. I'm still sick about causing her to suffer and know she can't have survived. I just hate wondering how long she had to live in that condition, and that I wasted that deer. Perhaps aerotips stand a better chance. I'm losing confidence in a bullet that demands specific shot placement rather than just a good shot in the kill zone, if that makes sense. I feel like I am limited to only shots that will get me directly through the side of the rib cage.
 
its easy to blame the bullet when you dont have the deer to see where it hit,a lung shot deer dosent normaly go far,i have shot several deer thru the front end with the same bullet & most have dropped in their tracks.if it was a straight in shot there would'nt be any bone chips,a glancing hit would tear some bone out & may have damaged a lung but not destroyed either 1.sorry you had some bad luck,mike243
 
I did a survey on here throughout the deer season a few years back mainly because of the discrepancy over the PB bullets. At the time I was shooting their Aerotips myself.
1. You don't get exit holes. This could be very important if you need to bloodtrail.
2. You don't really need exit holes when 95% of the deer shot with them either drop in their tracks or don't make it over a few feet before dropping.
3. I switched over from the PB's even though every deer I shot at had died stone cold dead on the spot. I did this for fear of possibly ever making a shot on a deer that was probably dead on his feet but managed to run far enough away without a blood trail to follow and thus, lost to recovery. I just didn't want to chance it. I went back to Barnes. Can you say hit me with a bowling ball!
 
the blood trail and exit was massive on this'n. you can see the exit in the pic.

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295 gr. PB- 90 gr. pyro
 
I keep replaying the moment of the shot. Could have taken a bead on the rib cage, but quartering away would have been a nasty gutting job. Could have tried smack on the neck or even right between the eyes at that range. Shoulda coulda woulda all day long.

What suprised me most was not getting a true pass through on either of the two yearlings. I'm not planning on tossing the bullets out just yet, but I will be extra cautious on shot placement because I've seen how much they frag out.

Stik, was that using Aerotip or Hollow Points?
 
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I don't care how great your shot placement is. Don't look for pass through shots with the PB bullet you're using. It's not going to happen.
 
I had the same performance with the 295gr and went to the 348gr hollow points. Never had a problem from there on. If you want to keep using the power belt bullets go with either the 348gr or the 405gr. You will be very pleased.
 
I still say shot placement is the key here. I've been shooting PB 245 Aero's for 4 or 5 yrs. now. I don't take shoulder shots, ribs n' lungs. Usually deer drop on the spot or in sight. I used to use .44 mag HP sabots years ago and had a hard time finding a few I shoulder shot, so unless I'm shooting a rifle and want to break 'em down I don't go there. Most recently, I shot a 140lb (dressed)doe in IL a couple of weeks ago, complete pass thru ribs and lungs, ran 30 yds. Not much blood to trail but when you can watch 'em drop you don't need it.
 
I shot the PB fr years- same experience as others have said, not a single pass through. All the deer died, but I'd rather have an exit hole, especially when hunting in the evening. Switched back to Barnes.
 
PBs do kill deer, BUT, I wanna be able to find them if there's a bad hit,,,I've posted this before myself,,,I've taken shots trying to get a pass thru on deer and just can't get them to do it,,,we lost a good buck 2 years ago because of them,,,the deer was shot right dark,,,bud said it was a good hit,,,we'll find him in the morning,,,the only thing we found was a little hair and 3 drops of blood,,,whiched to the shockwaves and after reading alot on here whiched to the 300grn SST's.
 
Use the 348 or 405 grn PowerBelts. You will get pass-throughs. So far, every deer shot with that size Powerbelt has produced a pass-through on my place. Few hits with 295 or under Powerbelts have produced a pass-through.
 
I've got good pass throughs with the platinums with a good shot placement. The main reason I'm shooting them is, I don't have to clean my gun between shots. There are probably better bullets on the market, but I can reload up to 10 times without any problems and they are still extremly accurate. I tried some other bullets but couldn't get a second bullet down the barrel, and I'm not going to stop and run a couple patches down my barrel while hunting if I don't have to.
 
iowavf said:
I've got good pass throughs with the platinums with a good shot placement. The main reason I'm shooting them is, I don't have to clean my gun between shots. There are probably better bullets on the market, but I can reload up to 10 times without any problems and they are still extremly accurate. I tried some other bullets but couldn't get a second bullet down the barrel, and I'm not going to stop and run a couple patches down my barrel while hunting if I don't have to.

If that's your concern, get some Bullshops. They are a slip fit conical. One range session I had I shot over 30 of them and never swabbed the first time. (using 777 in a 700ML) NOTE: My 700's accuracy isn't affected by fouling like some guns are. Additionally, you can push them very hard. A friend of mine elk hunts w/the 460g ones infront of 120g of 777 3f and has never had one come apart. I only shoot 80g of 777 2f because I enjoy being able to use my shoulder afterwards :grin: And if you need another reason: The last order I placed w/shipping and everything it came out to $0.32 a conical. So I can shoot 3 or 4 to every Powerbelt.
 
i have used the 295 gr. to shoot two deer with. didnt find neither of the deer, because of the lack of blood and exit hole. pretty confident in the shot placement of both to. after that i swithched to 250 shockwaves then switched to hornaday xtp 240 gr and havent lost a deer yet. and got good blood and good exit hole. PBs are a waste of money in my opinion.
 
I have to agree with buckhead. I can't even get powerbelts to group, tried them in three different guns. After a lot of range shooting and a lot of money spent in ammo and powder I've found that the xtps are great and cheap. I buy them in bulk as hornady 45 cal hand gun reloads then buy the sabots seperate. Doing this you get 50 rounds for about $25 of the 300 grain xtp mags, which is my personal favorite. Cheaper if you go for the nonmag variety.
 
I can't wait to send a 300 grain Harvester Scorpion PT Gold in front of 100 grains of 777 at a deer. I fully expect an exit hole!
 

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