Montana, 2011, elk, deer.........

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Dean Parisian

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I drew elk and deer tags for this fall......prayers were answered! Actually, the drawing hasn't occured but due to the massive increase in non-resident licenses there were NOT ENOUGH tags applied to fill the quota, hence anyone who applied will be awarded a license with 100% certainty. Remember, they need to fill the quota for non-resident license sales to make their BUDGET because at the price of resident tags they couldn't keep the depart afloat for 3 months!
 
I don't have a clue what any government entity will do but my best guess is that hunting prices only go one way.

Care to guess which way i think prices go?

Yes, indeed you guessed correctly.

The game is changing and the good old days are here and now. Make the memories with your sons and daughters while you can.
 
Sounds like they need to increase the price of resident licenses. They can�t expect to keep fleecing nonresidents to make up their budget short falls.
 
A voter-approved price increase for some Montana nonresident hunting licenses is being blamed for about 1,200 big game combination licenses remaining for sale after the March 15 application deadline.

Yet 7,500 nonresidents applied for licenses to hunt deer. Only 4,600 such licenses are available.

"Obviously the price is an issue," said Ron Aasheim, Fish, Wildlife and Parks' bureau chief. "Last year we had about 8,000 people who didn't draw. This year we're under by about 1,200."

About 15,800 nonresidents applied for the 17,000 big game or elk combination licenses for the upcoming season. That means that every hunter who applied for either the $912 nonresident big game combination license, or the $812 elk combo license will receive one. Last year, more than 19,000 nonresidents applied for similar tags.

The remaining 1,200 nonresident big game combination licenses will be sold online only on a first-come, first-serve basis beginning April 18. The big-game combo includes licenses to hunt elk, deer and upland game birds and a season fishing license. The elk combo includes all of the same licenses except for deer.

"We're confident that we'll sell out again this year," said Hank Worsech, license bureau chief for Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks, in a statement. "People are already sending in applications trying to get a jump on things, but in the interest of fairness, we'll return them and ask those folks to reapply because they essentially missed the original deadline."

Meanwhile, more than 7,550 nonresidents applied for 4,600 combination deer licenses, which also saw a bump in price to $542 for the upcoming season. Because only 4,600 deer combo licenses are available by Montana law, those licenses will be awarded via a drawing on April 11. Last year, more than 11,500 nonresidents applied for the same license.

Last November, voters approved an initiative that moved 7,800 outfitter-sponsored big game and deer combination licenses to the general nonresident license category and increased the associated license fees. The fee increases bumped the nonresident big-game combination license fee from $643 up to $912; a nonresident deer combination license fee rose from $343 to $542; and a nonresident elk combination license fee went from $593 to $812.

The outfitter-sponsored licenses had not sold out in the previous two years by the deadline, either, Aasheim said, although most were sold prior to the season beginning.

Nonresident hunters who wish to apply for one of the remaining big game combo or elk licenses must apply via the FWP website at fwp.mt.gov beginning April 18.

The revenue generated by the increased license fees is earmarked for wildlife habitat conservation and public hunting access programs. The fee increases only apply to nonresident combination licenses. Other nonresident licenses are not affected.
 
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Drop in non resident hunters is more than likely due to three things
1. price of tags going up
2. price of gas
.....these are the two big economic factors
3. introduction of wolves and the herd numbers going down. Some areas were impacted, others not...but the news will influences most hunters. Wonder what has happened the numbers for nonresident hunters in states that do not have wolves (Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Washington, Oregon)
 
Bill is on New Mexico governors desk for signature to reduce NR tags from 10% to 6% of total issued; plus in 2012, you'll have to buy a nonrefundable $65.00 license just to be able to apply for a tag (UT & ID are that way now) - so NM will have less NR hunters.

Idaho shot themselves in the foot a couple of years ago when they raised NR license cost at about the same time the wolf population spiked. My outfitter buddy there closed his operation this year.

There will be no impact to the NR hunters that hunt in NV, AZ & UT, as these are all preference points states that take a lot of points to draw. Folks that are in the running there for tags will keep building points. I hope to draw a UT elk tag in 4-5 years, and a UT lion tag in 1-2.

That pretty much leaves CO & WY for us NR's....and you better be building points in both if you want to hunt quality units.

Believe it or not, the price of gas has little impact on NR hunters. In 2008, when gas hit $4.00/gal & diesel was nearer to $5.00/gal, western states had just as many hunters as before. While it makes us grumble, we'll do without other things in order to go hunt!
 
I drew my last Big Game combo in Montana this year unless they do something about the price and refund policy. The area I hunt requires a permit in addition to the license so it's dicey for a non-resident. Thus far, I have allways drawn the permit but they keep tightening the quota which is limited for non-residents any way. Hope it goes well this time but I will figure out something else if I miss the hoop.
 
Come on Daff, you know prices only go one way in the hunting universe! How many lease prices have you noticed come down? Any states dropping prices on tags? Seeing lower demand for scopes, guns and gear to drive prices lower? Maybe economic principles don't apply to the hunting universe? What ails you about the MT refund policy?

It's interesting. Maybe big game hunting will be "priced" as a "Giffen Good"...... (google that term if you don't know what it is, those with a rudimentary understanding of economics may)
 
I missed last year in Idaho due to the price increase and gas prices. Prices will only go up. They should issue you a hiking permit until you tag one ;) then you pay your fees:)
 
Well everyone that applied for a license got one this year and they had left over! Non-resident license sales make up 70% of the parks and wildlife budget if sales fall off enough they might have to reconsider that hike. But a more likely result would be to cut into the block management program.
The refund policy doesn't take into concideration that I have licenses and still have to draw a permit to hunt the area I've allways hunted. If I don't get the permit I don't really need the license! pairing them would be nice.
 

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