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After starting the rope scrape thread I got to conversing with another member about all sorts of scrape ideas. I told him I'd get some pics of a few things I do with scrapes, and figured I'd just post them up here for the group. It's nothing new or secret, just a few things I do that makes sense & works. I experiment with A LOT of stuff. No gimmick is off the table lol. I'll try it. Anyway, here's a few things I've tried that actually work very well for scrapes. These pics are all from one property. I'll see if I can't dig up some pics from other properties too. I make LOTS of scrapes.

This first one is my newest scrape experiment. There wasn't a tree anywhere inside this small opening so I trimmed everything off a cedar tree except one branch I left on top, then buried it like a fence post. I then ziptied a red oak branch to the otherwise naked cedar branch on top. Bucks not only started using it right away as a scrape but also as a rubbing post, hence the backwards tilt.

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This one here was a good trail that a tree had fallen across. It's at the bottom between two steep hills. To the left of the screen is straight up and to the right is a deep drainage and then straight up the other side. It's a natural pinch point anyway but they quit using it at all when the tree fell. I cut the path open again but narrower and took a tall sapling next to the cutout and bent it over like an arc, tying the top to another tree off screen. Directly above the cut I hung a grape vine that would be in the deer's faces when they walk through, and it works very, very well. I've killed several big ones right there.

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This one began as a small hackberry tree I stumped at 6ft high while clearing a small area for a tiny plot. I bored a 1" hole near the top and stuck an oak branch in it, then hung a vine from it. Bucks took to it immediately but pretty quickly destroyed the branch. But no worries as the tree sprouted new growth like a bush at the top and it's not a living scrape tree.

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This one is simply a vine hanging from a nylon rope attached high up off a branch but in the wide open, visible. This scrape gets used year round by every deer from spotted fawn to oldest buck. It's a good spot that has ended some good bucks' reign. The stand is in a crooked chestnut oak just off the left side of the pic. It naturally leaves a 20yd broadside shot while the deer is distracted and standing still.

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This one doesn't look like much but it's a good one. It's a beech sapling that I used a cambuckle strap to pull it sideways toward another small tree, which caused a branch to droop down within reach and over a trail. Over the years I've had to prune the tree and readjust the strap to keep the branch where it needs to be. I started it in 2019 and it's still an active scrape when rut begins warming up.

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Last on this property but not least is my best one. The vine hanging from a rope in the 4th picture down is in the foreground but behind it you see the really big buck face deep in a beech branch. I topped that tree above that branch and cut every branch below, leaving only that one to stretch across the trail. That area is a small shelf about midway down an otherwise fairly steep hillside. It's less than 100yds long and maybe 15yds wide. Years ago I cleared it exact for a few small trees each end of it. I prune that branch yearly and also have a cambuckle strap keeping it pulled down to deer reach. Behind the camera about 50yds is a mineral site. Beyond the clearing just out of sight 50yds the far direction is a water trough. There are three scrapes in the roughly 200yd long stretch of trail between the water and the mineral, and it stays busy year round. Makes for VERY predictable movement patterns for hunting because I know where they're coming from, where they're going, and know they'll be distracted rather than looking up in the trees for me. Actually every scrape I make is in a place that relates to other habitat features like playing connect the dots. That detail matters a lot I think in how much use they get.

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Here's a different property. It's a big thicket in a creek bottom that runs through a gum swamp. There's literally scrape & rub opportunities everywhere so simply hanging a vine or stretching a branch across the trail doesn't do anything. It looks just like everything else. So I still hang the vine or branch but I then take an oak branch with green leaves and ziptie it upside down on the vine or licking branch. It stands out like a sore thumb and grabs the deer's attention, and they use it. Also oak branches won't shed the leaves if cut while still green, so the leaves stay on all fall and REALLY stand out after everything else has dropped leaves. I suspect the dry brown leaves also absorb & retain a lot of scent from the deer.

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Here's one on same property but upland from the swamp. It's a privet and locust thicket around the edge of a small woodlot in the middle of an ag field. Instead of a vine I just hung a willow oak branch upside down. Not only do they use the heck out of the scrape but they also have turned the tree into a signpost rub. This woodlot gets lots of use but only at a very specific time. After beans & corn are cut it's the only cover in an otherwise wide open landscape, plus the locusts begin dropping pods and deer love them. One of my favorite spots but only later in the season.




 
Great info!! I usually just make a scrape in the leaves under an overhanging limb and pee in it year after year and have quite a bit of activity. I like what you have done!
 
Great tips and thanks for sharing with us. It just goes to show how you can improvise if you don't have a tree readily avialable. Hey it's definitely not going to work if you don't try it.
 
Fantastic experiments! Love to see hunters/managers trying different things.

Thankfully, I've got young Beeches with limbs at the right height EVERYWHERE. In fact, I have too many of them.
 
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I've had an idea for a while now that I'm considering trying out but would love input. I live in a neighborhood with an abundance of deer. I've considered using vine and/or hemp ropes to get deer to use at the house and then transfer them to my hunting lease. My theory is that the introduction of different deer smells could peak curiosity and really jumpstart a mock scrape, licking rope, etc. usage. I understand that this is very similar to introducing scents via commercially available scents, but would be from live deer from the same general area, but far enough away that these deer would never come in contact with each other. Does this seem like a reasonable expectation or more trouble than it's worth?
 
I've had an idea for a while now that I'm considering trying out but would love input. I live in a neighborhood with an abundance of deer. I've considered using vine and/or hemp ropes to get deer to use at the house and then transfer them to my hunting lease. My theory is that the introduction of different deer smells could peak curiosity and really jumpstart a mock scrape, licking rope, etc. usage. I understand that this is very similar to introducing scents via commercially available scents, but would be from live deer from the same general area, but far enough away that these deer would never come in contact with each other. Does this seem like a reasonable expectation or more trouble than it's worth?
Give it a shot.

I once was in close communication with a hunter that was a big user of real buck tarsal glands as an attractant. He would collect them and freeze them for later use. He did a lot of experimentation, and he found he got the best responses from bucks if the tarsals were from a buck not from that area. He suspected, and I concur, that the curiosity came from the fact these were tarsal from bucks none of the resident bucks had previously smelled/encountered.
 
After starting the rope scrape thread I got to conversing with another member about all sorts of scrape ideas. I told him I'd get some pics of a few things I do with scrapes, and figured I'd just post them up here for the group. It's nothing new or secret, just a few things I do that makes sense & works. I experiment with A LOT of stuff. No gimmick is off the table lol. I'll try it. Anyway, here's a few things I've tried that actually work very well for scrapes. These pics are all from one property. I'll see if I can't dig up some pics from other properties too. I make LOTS of scrapes.

This first one is my newest scrape experiment. There wasn't a tree anywhere inside this small opening so I trimmed everything off a cedar tree except one branch I left on top, then buried it like a fence post. I then ziptied a red oak branch to the otherwise naked cedar branch on top. Bucks not only started using it right away as a scrape but also as a rubbing post, hence the backwards tilt.

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This one here was a good trail that a tree had fallen across. It's at the bottom between two steep hills. To the left of the screen is straight up and to the right is a deep drainage and then straight up the other side. It's a natural pinch point anyway but they quit using it at all when the tree fell. I cut the path open again but narrower and took a tall sapling next to the cutout and bent it over like an arc, tying the top to another tree off screen. Directly above the cut I hung a grape vine that would be in the deer's faces when they walk through, and it works very, very well. I've killed several big ones right there.

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This one began as a small hackberry tree I stumped at 6ft high while clearing a small area for a tiny plot. I bored a 1" hole near the top and stuck an oak branch in it, then hung a vine from it. Bucks took to it immediately but pretty quickly destroyed the branch. But no worries as the tree sprouted new growth like a bush at the top and it's not a living scrape tree.

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This one is simply a vine hanging from a nylon rope attached high up off a branch but in the wide open, visible. This scrape gets used year round by every deer from spotted fawn to oldest buck. It's a good spot that has ended some good bucks' reign. The stand is in a crooked chestnut oak just off the left side of the pic. It naturally leaves a 20yd broadside shot while the deer is distracted and standing still.

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This one doesn't look like much but it's a good one. It's a beech sapling that I used a cambuckle strap to pull it sideways toward another small tree, which caused a branch to droop down within reach and over a trail. Over the years I've had to prune the tree and readjust the strap to keep the branch where it needs to be. I started it in 2019 and it's still an active scrape when rut begins warming up.

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Last on this property but not least is my best one. The vine hanging from a rope in the 4th picture down is in the foreground but behind it you see the really big buck face deep in a beech branch. I topped that tree above that branch and cut every branch below, leaving only that one to stretch across the trail. That area is a small shelf about midway down an otherwise fairly steep hillside. It's less than 100yds long and maybe 15yds wide. Years ago I cleared it exact for a few small trees each end of it. I prune that branch yearly and also have a cambuckle strap keeping it pulled down to deer reach. Behind the camera about 50yds is a mineral site. Beyond the clearing just out of sight 50yds the far direction is a water trough. There are three scrapes in the roughly 200yd long stretch of trail between the water and the mineral, and it stays busy year round. Makes for VERY predictable movement patterns for hunting because I know where they're coming from, where they're going, and know they'll be distracted rather than looking up in the trees for me. Actually every scrape I make is in a place that relates to other habitat features like playing connect the dots. That detail matters a lot I think in how much use they get.

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Thanks
 
Fantastic experiments! Love to see hunters/managers trying different things.

Thankfully, I've got young Beeches with limbs at the right height EVERYWHERE. In fact, I have too many of them.
Have had that problem. Can't walk down a logging road without stepping in them due to them being everywhere.
 
Have had that problem. Can't walk down a logging road without stepping in them due to them being everywhere.
Every old logging road on my place will be lined with scrapes by early November (in a good acorn year). Again, in a good acorn year, I usually count well over 100 active scrapes during the course of the rut. And the vast majority will be under low-hanging Beech limbs.
 
I have a lot of oak and beech trees with overhanging limbs at just the right height. Getting the deer using the licking branch i wanted them to isn't usually that difficult. I do use commercial scrape scents, usually bought on clearance after season ends. I do also pee in scrapes. If I had more ground and places I wanted to try hanging something, have plenty of oak saplings and limbs that should work but really don't need to for most of my little farm.
 
Give it a shot.

I once was in close communication with a hunter that was a big user of real buck tarsal glands as an attractant. He would collect them and freeze them for later use. He did a lot of experimentation, and he found he got the best responses from bucks if the tarsals were from a buck not from that area. He suspected, and I concur, that the curiosity came from the fact these were tarsal from bucks none of the resident bucks had previously smelled/encountered.
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Do you ever use the active scrape dripper on any of these scrapes? Any attractants?

I tried it once but it all leaked out in a day and I never tried it again. For the most part I don't use any scents at all other than peeing in the dirt whenever im there and have to pee. Sometimes I use those Scrapefix powder puffers in the little yellow bottle.

Really I've found that for scrapes the visual matters more than the odor. They'll pretty much always use one that's visibly obvious in a busy deer area, but will ignore one in an obscure area no matter how good it smells. Make it in a high traffic area and make it as glaringly obvious as Beetlejuice's sign and you won't need any scent. It'll get immediate and heavy use.
 
Am I the only one that drinks a ton of water to go around on my e-bike just to piss in scrapes and swap cards? HA I will hold my piss in my stand to go piss in 2-3 scrapes on the way back
I do that all the time. If on stand, I'll hold it until I get down so I can pee in a scrape on my walk out. If checking cameras, I'll hold it until I get to a camera over a scrape.
 
When making mock scrapes, as Ski pointed out, if it's in a deer hotspot, nothing more is needed than creating the visual scrape. But if you're in an area you only suspect might be seeing some buck usage, scent is a big help.

I helped champion the whole idea of using your own urine to make mock scrapes back in the early 2000s. The process worked amazingly well. I've always suspected it was the testosterone in the urine that was producing the response from bucks. And now, more than 20 years later, I can pretty much confirm that. Back when I was first experimenting with using my own urine, I was in my 30s and 40s. Testosterone still high. But now that I'm 63, I've noticed over the last couple of years that my urine is no longer producing such a marked reaction in scrapes. Results are now a bit lackluster. I STRONGLY suspect the reason is my decreasing testosterone levels as I age.

The lesson is, if you want a mock scrape, get one of the younger guys to pee in it. No joke!
 
The lesson is, if you want a mock scrape, get one of the younger guys to pee in it. No joke!
I've already been able to see a decline and I'm in my low 40's 😌. We actually joke with our guys that if someone pees and nothing shows up, they must be full of estrogen. When one does show up, he must be full of testosterone
 

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