Mid day calling

[Anonymous]

For coyotes is mid day calling ok ? I guess best time would be at day break and sunset I'm sure . Just curious on you luck and what time you prefer

 

[matt_brown]

Calling coyotes is kinda like calling turkeys if you say the right thing at the right time you better hang. I have called them in at all times of the day but if I had to choose it would be the first 2 hrs of daylight. If I am going to call them mid day I like it to be overcast. I also like to change things up a bit. If I have called a certain property only in the morning I will switch it up and start calling there in the mornings. Most of my evening calling is done out of desperation to kill one. If I hunt a property in the evening I will set up and call a spot around 2 hrs before dark. I rarely move around much but if I do it will be to a spot where I can cover a bunch of ground and I will stick with that spot until dark. I called a big red fox within 7 steps of my caller yesterday evening but couldn't get on him fast enough.

The best advise I can give you is to always pay attention to the wind, take notes on conditions (what calls you used, date, time, weather) you will look back and relate these conditions to help you later. If you hunt with a buddy one of you need to set up straight downwind of the call 50-100yds from the caller (it's hard to sit away from the "action" but I promise it will pay off big time). We set up on a farm Saturday night in the snow storm and if I would have practiced what I preach I would have killed another. I set up 40 yds downwind of the call but faced the call. There were coyote tracks in the snow 20 yds straight behind me and I had no idea it was in the world.

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[scn]

Calling coyotes is kinda like calling turkeys if you say the right thing at the right time you better hang. I have called them in at all times of the day but if I had to choose it would be the first 2 hrs of daylight. If I am going to call them mid day I like it to be overcast. I also like to change things up a bit. If I have called a certain property only in the morning I will switch it up and start calling there in the mornings. Most of my evening calling is done out of desperation to kill one. If I hunt a property in the evening I will set up and call a spot around 2 hrs before dark. I rarely move around much but if I do it will be to a spot where I can cover a bunch of ground and I will stick with that spot until dark. I called a big red fox within 7 steps of my caller yesterday evening but couldn't get on him fast enough.

The best advise I can give you is to always pay attention to the wind, take notes on conditions (what calls you used, date, time, weather) you will look back and relate these conditions to help you later. If you hunt with a buddy one of you need to set up straight downwind of the call 50-100yds from the caller (it's hard to sit away from the "action" but I promise it will pay off big time). We set up on a farm Saturday night in the snow storm and if I would have practiced what I preach I would have killed another. I set up 40 yds downwind of the call but faced the call. There were coyote tracks in the snow 20 yds straight behind me and I had no idea it was in the world.

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Just a quick FYI, there is a state law that makes it illegal to kill a fox with the aid of an electronic caller, so probably good you couldn't get on it fast enough.

 

[RUGER]

I never understood that law.

Never bothered me though as I don't use electronic calls. :D

 

[matt_brown]

I thought that they lifted that law. Oh well. No harm no foul. Thanks scn

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[scn]

70-4-126. Use of electronic or battery operated device to lure or kill a fox prohibited -- Penalty.

(a) No person shall use any electronic or battery operated device for the purpose of luring, killing, or attempting to lure or kill a fox.

(b) A person who violates this section commits a Class C misdemeanor.

(c) Such prohibition does not apply to rabies control activities of the appropriate public health officials.

HISTORY: Acts 1978, ch. 792, § 1; 1982, ch. 738, § 5; T.C.A., § 51-447; Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 113.

 

[Smoke]

I thought that they lifted that law. Oh well. No harm no foul. Thanks scn

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I swear i remember seeing it was changed a few years ago but was too late to make it into the guide. Last i ever heard anything about it

 

[fritoman]

Out of curiosity why is a fox illegal to use an electronic call on?

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[fritoman]

I've never seen a fox while hunting in my 25 years of hunting.

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[Anonymous]

I've never seen a fox while hunting in my 25 years of hunting.

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Killed a deer several years back and field dressed it 25 yes from my stand and the very next day two gray/silver foxes walked by my stand and thrift tonthe gut pile

 

[scn]

I thought that they lifted that law. Oh well. No harm no foul. Thanks scn

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I swear i remember seeing it was changed a few years ago but was too late to make it into the guide. Last i ever heard anything about it

It was not changed and is still current law.

 

[scn]

I never understood that law.

Never bothered me though as I don't use electronic calls. :D

The law dates back almost forty years ago to 1978. At that time, running hounds on foxes was a very popular and VERY political sport. It was done in two different ways. On one, hunters would gather up on some high knob, build a fire, and cast their hounds. They would spend the next several hours listening to their hounds run. There were even field trials (including a National in TN) held to judge the running/chasing ability of the hounds. This was done across the state.

The other method was the running of the hounds by horseback riders. This was more a sport for the well to do, and involved jumping fences, etc. to stay up with the hounds chasing a fox.

In both cases, the "hunters" did not even want the fox to be caught by the hounds, and much less killed. Foxes were very much prized by all of these houndsmen.

In the mid-seventies, the price of fox pelts exceeded $100. That was a LOT of money back then. About the same time, some of the first electronic callers (Johnny Stewart, etc.) came on the market. They used records or cassettes with pre-recorded sounds. They proved very effective on foxes that hadn't been exposed to them before. It became an enforcement nightmare trying to deal with the onslaught. I knew people that would arrange to be laid off from their main job in November so they could squall foxes until the pelts started going down in the spring. It was very possible for them to make several hundred dollars a night with their illegal hunting. That was extreme money in the 70s.

The legislature was bombarded with complaints from their constituents about the illegal hunting. The law I posted was their attempt to try to help stop the slaughter. And, it did help. But, dropping fur prices, "educated" foxes, and drastically lower fox populations likely had as much to do with it slowing down. It still goes on, but not like it did in the 1975-80 time period.

 

[AllOutdoors]

I never understood that law.

Never bothered me though as I don't use electronic calls. :D

The law dates back almost forty years ago to 1978. At that time, running hounds on foxes was a very popular and VERY political sport. It was done in two different ways. On one, hunters would gather up on some high knob, build a fire, and cast their hounds. They would spend the next several hours listening to their hounds run. There were even field trials (including a National in TN) held to judge the running/chasing ability of the hounds. This was done across the state.

The other method was the running of the hounds by horseback riders. This was more a sport for the well to do, and involved jumping fences, etc. to stay up with the hounds chasing a fox.

In both cases, the "hunters" did not even want the fox to be caught by the hounds, and much less killed. Foxes were very much prized by all of these houndsmen.

In the mid-seventies, the price of fox pelts exceeded $100. That was a LOT of money back then. About the same time, some of the first electronic callers (Johnny Stewart, etc.) came on the market. They used records or cassettes with pre-recorded sounds. They proved very effective on foxes that hadn't been exposed to them before. It became an enforcement nightmare trying to deal with the onslaught. I knew people that would arrange to be laid off from their main job in November so they could squall foxes until the pelts started going down in the spring. It was very possible for them to make several hundred dollars a night with their illegal hunting. That was extreme money in the 70s.

The legislature was bombarded with complaints from their constituents about the illegal hunting. The law I posted was their attempt to try to help stop the slaughter. And, it did help. But, dropping fur prices, "educated" foxes, and drastically lower fox populations likely had as much to do with it slowing down. It still goes on, but not like it did in the 1975-80 time period.

I don't use electronic callers but an interesting read. Thanks scn for taking the time to post.

 

[RUGER]

Yep thanks, very interesting.

 

[fritoman]

Thanks for sharing

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[matt_brown]

Very interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

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[edtcase]

That's good to know. I didn't know that.