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So it's that time of yr when a lot of the best scouting can be done. I'm am curious in your opinion, what is the single best thing you can find while scouting for mature whitetail bucks?

To get it started I'll say to me the ultimate find is a annual primary scrape. Meaning one that is used yr around by all deer. To me it is an even better find if this scrape is near a likely bedding area( within 75-150 yrds). This increases the likely hood of different individual bucks checkin it during daylight significantly.
 
The one thing I have found I need to kill a mature buck year in year out after 31 years of killing deer is time off during the rut! It was a lot easier when I was single.
 
I would say rub sizes and sheds if you find any. Here is the biggest rub I've ever witnessed found on state land while walking a breakline I had deemed as a "high percentage area" while cyber scouting the night before. These rubs marked the perimeter of an area I labeled possible bedding. I'm no expert but this says big deer to me.
 
TN Whitetail Freak":3s4sem8w said:
Here is the biggest rub I've ever witnessed found . . . . . this says big deer to me.
To me, all that says is that at some point in the past, there was a mature buck in the area, since rubs of that size are almost exclusively started by mature bucks. However, bucks of all ages will re-rub giant rubs. While it's always exciting to find a huge rub post-season, unfortunately, the mature buck that started that rub could have died a couple years before the rub was found.
 
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Wes Parrish":3nyk2fsv said:
TN Whitetail Freak":3nyk2fsv said:
Here is the biggest rub I've ever witnessed found . . . . . this says big deer to me.
To me, all that says is that at some point in the past, there was a mature buck in the area, since rubs of that size are almost exclusively started by mature bucks. However, bucks of all ages will re-rub giant rubs. While it's always exciting to find a huge rub post-season, unfortunately, the mature buck that started that rub could have died a couple years before the rub was found.


Found a total of 6 around these size all hit this past season....I don't see smaller deer working multiple rubs this size....maybe one but not all....OR another deer of equal caliber replaces the lost originator of the rubs
 
Aside from sheds-big rubs. If an area held a mature buck at one time it will again. Also when you find countless big rubs there is at least one mature buck in the area.. If not a few more. Rub littered areas are a good sign of age structure.

Now those mature bucks may be only 110" and rubbing light pole sized trees, but you are also more likely to find a big antlered buck where the age structure is better.

I know a lot of people disregard sign-that's okay when you have the areas picked out already. Like any other aspect of hunting, you are going to have to work hard to find the best of the best areas and when you have nothing else to go by your best indicator is big rubs or obviously sheds/sightings
 
Rubs are probably the only sign you can find in the woods that may denote a buck's size. Finding big rubs fires me up, depending first on when I find them and second, where I find them. Without visual confirmation you never know for positive they were done by big bucks but it's a pretty safe bet that there was one involved. I've seen bucks wearing out a tree during the heat of the rut and even late into the rut but for the most part I think they're done in the couple of weeks leading up to pre rut and into the beginning of the rut. Finding one at that time of the season may put you in the game. Finding one during the last couple weeks of the season usually only tells you that you should have found it earlier and it may be a good starting point next season. Whenever and wherever you find them tells you that at sometime, a buck used this immediate area in his traveling.

When, where, and why? Three questions any deer hunter should ask himself. The closer he can come to answering any of them the closer he is to tagging that buck. Related to rubs, and as I've posted on here in the past, it's my belief that a buck does most of his rubbing after exiting his bedding area rather than returning towards it. They may bed down anywhere but in some places, especially if they are unpressured, they may have a consistent bedding area. Generally, a buck moves in a more hurried fashion returning to bed than he does leaving it, thus he's more inclined to rub more during his slower mode after rising from bedding. With this train of thought and particularly in linear rub lines, "most of the rubbing I see I determine to be going away from his bedding area". Consequently, with bucks beginning their movement patterns at nightfall, most rubbing will be done under the cover of darkness. Backtracking those rub lines should put you closer to his bedding area. Big rubs; possibly a big buck.

When a buck rises from his bed he heads in a certain direction pointing him either towards a food source or potential does for breeding. In between there and those areas is where most of the rubbing is done. Rubs, and the timing of those rubs surrounding food sources may denote how and why they are made where you find them. Prior to the rut, finding them inside cover surrounding food sources more than likely signals that area as a food source for the buck himself. Once the rut starts, finding fresh rubs in those same areas leans more towards an area the buck travels in search of does. In either case, hunting the interior of the surrounding cover is probably a better idea than hunting directly over the immediate food source. Again, big rubs; possibly a big buck.

Timing, direction of travel, and location are 3 considerations. Another might be consistency from year to year. A big buck survives by staying alive. Once he finds a security area that meets that need he may very well "seasonably" return to that area yearly. Finding those last year's rubs in those areas may possibly be a starting point of interest the following year.

Linking rubs to their timing, distinctive tine markings, the prevalent wind directions during that time frame, and any possible likely travel corridors could very well aid to the perfect stand placement. Lastly, big rubs; possibly a big buck.
 
Good stuff mike! I have gotten to where I ignore rubs from a strategy standpoint, and that's probably a flaw. I rely a lot on cameras! I feel like I usually know every mature buck in the areas I hunt for the most part. My strategy in the past has been to find where I can get pics of bucks repeatedly, sometimes even bedding I front of my cams for a while.. Then hunt the surrounding terrain features based on cover. This yr I am going to scout for specific buck beds tho and correlate it with what I already know. Hopefully this yields more mature buck sightings. I usually get 1-3 encounters at best with a wall hanger a yr. never same buck twice, and never from the same spot. Going Saturday to do some scouting, hopefully can find some good sign to correlate with current t cam data and stand sites! Primary scrapes I'd say have been the most significant in my strategy id say as far as physical deer sign found. My goal this yr is to focus on other sign..
 

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