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<blockquote data-quote="deerchaser007" data-source="post: 753777" data-attributes="member: 1783"><p>On my farm its fine. Average amount of bucks making it into the adult ratio,.. average amount making it into the 2.5 year old range,.. slightly below the average for 3.5 year old and older. Mainly due to our qdm program is just 2.5 and older. BUT,.. my success is acheived thru neighboring cooperatives. My farm is only 85 acres ,. but with my neighbors passing on 1.5 year old bucks, it has helped us considerably. To the point that one neighbor has took a 4.5 year old buck the past 2 years. I've been doing camera census on my place the past 6 years. I've got a good understanding of what is happening in the herd quality wise and age structure wise. AND,.. i think we are ok for the 9 years i've been working it. Could it be better ,. yes ,.. but i would have to get alot more neighbors involved with our lower deer density in cannon county.</p><p></p><p>The most important thing we don't do is go in and expect to kill 3 bucks for each person. It took me a long while to make some of these hunters realize that TWRA's limits is not a true indicator on the deer herd we hunt in cannon co. Especially not when you want to acheive quality within the herd. We don't have 35 deer per square mile. On average,. we hit around 20. With a lower deer density ,. you can't kill three bucks per hunter and expect the appropriate amount of bucks to make it to the older age class ,. which is important for quality within the herd. You talk to any average joe hunter and ask him about the 3 buck limit and he will tell you that if he kills 3 bucks the herd can withstand it and it not affect the quality. AND,.. he thinks all hunters in the state can do this. When you educate them on why this can't happen,. it really opens there eyes to how poorly the limits reflect what the herd can handle on a statewide level. Do you know how many hunters actually believe they can kill 3 does a day all season long and the deer herd will be fine. AND,. they believe the state has that many deer to shoot. If TWRA wants to manage expectations ,.. they need to set limits on more realistic goals for every individual hunter in this state. A hunter believing he can harvest 3 bucks a season and 3 does a day for the season is not realistic. </p><p></p><p>Sorry ,.. got off topic again. BUT,.. like i said ,. my localized area age structure on bucks is average for a average QDM program in a lower deer density area.. BUT,.. not everything has to be about me and me alone. I'm the type to stick up for others who do not have the hunting that i currently have. I know several other hunters that simply cannot manage their property cause there neighbors kill way to many deer for a lower deer density area. AND,.. the only thing that can and will help them is TWRA set realistic limits for each hunter so herd quality can be acheived. And using the old saying that TWRA should not force hunters into qdm is crazy. If qdm is really what is best for the herd, thats what should be in place. The problem is TWRA views qdm as trophy management like alot of other hunters who do not understand qdm concepts. I know this is were you and i disagree. You think qdm should not be involved on a statewide level. BUT,.. i say that its time TN got with all the other states that now put qdm concepts in place through statewide limits. Its better for the herd today and for tomorrow. I think states such as PA,TX,KY and GA have set a positive example for qdm through there state agencies programs. AND,. its time TN followed. Not just for us qdm hunters,.. but for every hunter that steps in the woods today and the hunter that steps in the woods 25 years from today. </p><p>Dang it,.. off topic again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="deerchaser007, post: 753777, member: 1783"] On my farm its fine. Average amount of bucks making it into the adult ratio,.. average amount making it into the 2.5 year old range,.. slightly below the average for 3.5 year old and older. Mainly due to our qdm program is just 2.5 and older. BUT,.. my success is acheived thru neighboring cooperatives. My farm is only 85 acres ,. but with my neighbors passing on 1.5 year old bucks, it has helped us considerably. To the point that one neighbor has took a 4.5 year old buck the past 2 years. I've been doing camera census on my place the past 6 years. I've got a good understanding of what is happening in the herd quality wise and age structure wise. AND,.. i think we are ok for the 9 years i've been working it. Could it be better ,. yes ,.. but i would have to get alot more neighbors involved with our lower deer density in cannon county. The most important thing we don't do is go in and expect to kill 3 bucks for each person. It took me a long while to make some of these hunters realize that TWRA's limits is not a true indicator on the deer herd we hunt in cannon co. Especially not when you want to acheive quality within the herd. We don't have 35 deer per square mile. On average,. we hit around 20. With a lower deer density ,. you can't kill three bucks per hunter and expect the appropriate amount of bucks to make it to the older age class ,. which is important for quality within the herd. You talk to any average joe hunter and ask him about the 3 buck limit and he will tell you that if he kills 3 bucks the herd can withstand it and it not affect the quality. AND,.. he thinks all hunters in the state can do this. When you educate them on why this can't happen,. it really opens there eyes to how poorly the limits reflect what the herd can handle on a statewide level. Do you know how many hunters actually believe they can kill 3 does a day all season long and the deer herd will be fine. AND,. they believe the state has that many deer to shoot. If TWRA wants to manage expectations ,.. they need to set limits on more realistic goals for every individual hunter in this state. A hunter believing he can harvest 3 bucks a season and 3 does a day for the season is not realistic. Sorry ,.. got off topic again. BUT,.. like i said ,. my localized area age structure on bucks is average for a average QDM program in a lower deer density area.. BUT,.. not everything has to be about me and me alone. I'm the type to stick up for others who do not have the hunting that i currently have. I know several other hunters that simply cannot manage their property cause there neighbors kill way to many deer for a lower deer density area. AND,.. the only thing that can and will help them is TWRA set realistic limits for each hunter so herd quality can be acheived. And using the old saying that TWRA should not force hunters into qdm is crazy. If qdm is really what is best for the herd, thats what should be in place. The problem is TWRA views qdm as trophy management like alot of other hunters who do not understand qdm concepts. I know this is were you and i disagree. You think qdm should not be involved on a statewide level. BUT,.. i say that its time TN got with all the other states that now put qdm concepts in place through statewide limits. Its better for the herd today and for tomorrow. I think states such as PA,TX,KY and GA have set a positive example for qdm through there state agencies programs. AND,. its time TN followed. Not just for us qdm hunters,.. but for every hunter that steps in the woods today and the hunter that steps in the woods 25 years from today. Dang it,.. off topic again. [/QUOTE]
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