Lost one, could not keep tracking

[Pic IN the Casa]

Really kind of surprised, and annoyed, at some of the answers on here. I know being a landowner, what I say goes as it pertains to anything having to do with the property I own and worked my rear-end off�it is about respect for property not belonging to you....not your personal beliefs/obligations. How would you feel if you were in the same position that the property owner is in, right or wrong?

I would like to think that if I were the landowner, I would let someone recover a legal deer. Especially, since they had the decency to call and ask permission first. Actually, I would offer to help track the deer. Maybe he only said no because he thinks it's illegal. I don't know.

Agree with this.

 

[Spurhunter]

Sometimes, the right thing aint always the legal thing.

Will have to agree.

Yep. The few times I've had a hit deer cross the line I didn't think twice. IF someone had been there I would hope they were sensible. If not I'd just have to take my chances.

Any topic that comes up 90% of the members here say legality is what matters. Lots of things that are legal ain't right.

 

[TN Whitetail Freak]

Ill ask and if i get a no then im with infoman CRS....and all is well

 

[REM7]

I have always found it easier to ask forgiveness rather than permision

With snowball on this

 

[Tennessee Lead]

The owner is old and thinks its illegal to hunt in the city limits. That's why he said no. Cant argue with an old man who is set on his ways, so i didn't even try to argue. And I'm going to stay out of his field and stick to the river banks.

Sometimes you have to teach an old dog new tricks. Explain that your are not hunting just simply recovering. And offer to give him a share of your kill.

 

[W.Seay]

Sometimes, the right thing aint always the legal thing.

X2

 

[catman529]

Update

Went back. Crossed creek and found blood on gravel bar. Long story short the deer went up on the bank into privet thicket and then came down to another gravel bar 50 yards downstream. There were tracks from multiple deer but the last speck of blood showed the deer went straight down the bank, across gravel and into the water. I waded across back to my side, just over knee deep. Opposite bank was very steep and hard to find any tracks and of course no blood. Just downstream was rock drop off so def no deer could get up for at least 50-75 yd downstream. I looked in some dense thicket along the bank, and checked the river at every spot I could get to the edge of the bank to look. I thought she might have died in the water and floated downstream. Checked all gravel bars and potential hang ups. Did this at least half a mile downstream and no deer. Only possibility is she came out of the water on the other side again, or a slight chance she climbed up on my side and got into some real impenetrable thicket. Or could have drifted farther downstream but I doubt it. I don't think she ever bedded down, at least I never found any bloody bed. I'm going to say she's gone and most likely dead with the blood loss and stomach hit. It sucks I spoiled one of my biggest goals this year which was not to lose any deer.

 

[Spurhunter]

I commend you on the effort you put in. Too many stories where someone looks for a few minutes then gets back in the stand and kills another deer.

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

You done nothing wrong in my book I would have never asked

 

[encore06]

I commend you on the effort you put in. Too many stories where someone looks for a few minutes then gets back in the stand and kills another deer.

x2

 

[megalomaniac]

I don't mind saying it. I'd be going over there to get the deer. Once I kill a deer, my ethical responsibility trumps permission. Maybe it sounds stupid, but I feel like I owe it to the deer.

No, your ethical responsibility is to ensure you make a clean kill on an animal which you can recover. You simply don't shoot an animal if you don't feel 100% that it will die on the property you have permission to hunt.

Sure, stuff happens, and as a landowner, if someone calls me and asks permission to recover a deer, I will meet them at the property, they will show me where they shot the deer on their property, we'll follow the blood trail, and I will help them recover their deer if possible. If I catch them trespassing (whether it is to recover a deer or not) without permission, I WILL prosecute them.

Heck, my neighbors whom I know well and wouldn't mind if they came on my land to recover a deer still have the decency to let me know prior to crossing the fence; and if I ever have to do the same I will let them know prior as well. That's the right thing to do. AND it's a safety issue. If you don't agree, then you should hunt closer to the middle of the property you have permission to hunt on, find a larger property to hunt on, or spine/ neck shoot a deer to drop it on the spot if you choose to hunt near property lines.

 

[scn]

Great job on the effort you put in!

For future use, although it appears you didn't jump her out of her bed, an hour may not be enough time on a gut hit. Unless you are sure that you hit some vitals as well as entrals, a 3-4 hr wait might be better.

Thanks for putting the time in. You are progressing nicely!

 

[pass-thru]

If I cross and find her (ethically I don't see a whole lot wrong with it) then everyone here would know I had trespassed.

Then you lie and say you found it on your side :grin:

Didn't the old man tell you could not search as long as it is illegal to hunt in the city? Is it illegal to hunt in the city? Then what's your answer?

 

[dsa5455]

Call twra, maybe they can assist you

nothing they can do if the owner says no. Rather not bother him anymore. Seems that could make it worse

Catman
I'm not sure how harsh or emphatic his "NO" answer was but sometimes standing in front of someone face to face can make a bigger impression to someone than a phone call. Remember he doesn't know you from Adam and you mentioned he was old so that may be even more important in this case. I don't know you either but from watching your video's and reading your post I find you to be a very likable young man. A firm hand shake may go a long way with this gentleman. You mentioned that you don't want to make it worse and I can understand that but if you plan to hunt this spot again you should at least make the effort to meet him face to face. Heck, everyone on here seems to like you a lot so maybe some of that charm will work with him. If it goes bad then you can always drop him a card and wish him a Merry Christmas.

 

[spitndrum]

Sometimes, the right thing aint always the legal thing.

Will have to agree.

he he he no doubt id be getting my deer none the less

 

[tailchaser]

If I cross and find her (ethically I don't see a whole lot wrong with it) then everyone here would know I had trespassed. [/quote

Not if you don't come on here and tell,no one would know either way

 

[Brogden]

I don't mind saying it. I'd be going over there to get the deer. Once I kill a deer, my ethical responsibility trumps permission. Maybe it sounds stupid, but I feel like I owe it to the deer.

No, your ethical responsibility is to ensure you make a clean kill on an animal which you can recover. You simply don't shoot an animal if you don't feel 100% that it will die on the property you have permission to hunt.

Sure, stuff happens, and as a landowner, if someone calls me and asks permission to recover a deer, I will meet them at the property, they will show me where they shot the deer on their property, we'll follow the blood trail, and I will help them recover their deer if possible. If I catch them trespassing (whether it is to recover a deer or not) without permission, I WILL prosecute them.

Heck, my neighbors whom I know well and wouldn't mind if they came on my land to recover a deer still have the decency to let me know prior to crossing the fence; and if I ever have to do the same I will let them know prior as well. That's the right thing to do. AND it's a safety issue. If you don't agree, then you should hunt closer to the middle of the property you have permission to hunt on, find a larger property to hunt on, or spine/ neck shoot a deer to drop it on the spot if you choose to hunt near property lines.

I've never seen a more fitting user name.

 

[catman529]

Megalomaniac, I thought I had made a decent shot. I had no idea she would cross. Even if you do your best to make the best shot, it doesn't always happen that way. Heck even our bowriter here shot one in the hip this year, with a crossbow. And he has many years and killed a ridiculous amount of deer and knows how and when to take a shot.

Anyway back on topic, here is the arrow. Blood, some stomach content, white hair. Toward the front end of the arrow there was a little fat. I definitely hit her low and a little far back. I thought I saw the arrow hit toward the back of the lungs but was wrong, I really didn't see where it hit.

 

[lung-buster]

Around our place I go knock on the door and ask. I have never gotten a no either. I expect the same and would help any of our neighbors look also. Atleast you asked first. A deer to me is not worth a argument with weapons involved and I don't step foot on anyone else's property without permission. I have top notch neighbors in my book.

 

[taximan]

Sleep well tonight catman...you did right and put forth great effort....sometimes despite our best efforts things just don't go our way

 

[Mudbone]

Sleep well tonight catman...you did right and put forth great effort....sometimes despite our best efforts things just don't go our way

Best answer yet.


I would have gone and looked for my deer but kept it to myself.

 

[catman529]

Sleep well tonight catman...you did right and put forth great effort....sometimes despite our best efforts things just don't go our way

Best answer yet.


I would have gone and looked for my deer but kept it to myself.

you know me I like to talk sometimes... I post on here too much

 

[tickweed]

sometimes better to ask forgiveness than permission

 

[JeepKuntry]

IMO, you have to honor the landowners permission. I can't help but wonder how many folks would be pissed if another hunter came onto there land to recover a deer against their wishes. I will say most of us, as hunters, are sympathetic and know that things happen.

 

[Grizzly Johnson]

The owner is old and thinks its illegal to hunt in the city limits. That's why he said no. Cant argue with an old man who is set on his ways, so i didn't even try to argue. And I'm going to stay out of his field and stick to the river banks.

I am wondering that in his mind "thinking" hunting in the city limits is illegal and therefore you were breaking the law and didn't want you on his property because you "were" hunting illegally.... also maybe told you no to keep himself out of an illegal situation by not allowing you on his problem....

I would simply told him: "Sir with all due respect, hunting in the city limits is not illegal and if you decide not to allow me to try to find a deer I have shot and it crossed onto your property, that is your decision and I understand..... but I sure hate for the meat to go to waste".

Hate you lost one, it happens but you likely provided a meal for a coyote or other predator and may very well have saved a turkey or other animal from being killed/eaten.