Bought some yesterday for $6.75/shell. Gotta dig a little but its out there.I would too, and did in the past.... But replacement cost for that TSS shell has gone up to $15
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I probably would too but honestly I guess I would hope it didn't happen a whole lot.
BamaHudson
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I like 6s and they've been pretty tough to find lately.
This place has a ton in stock and a fantastic delivery time if you're interested.
https://alexandersstore.com/?s=Long...g=0&woo_currency=USD¤t_page_id=26090230
I was also happy to see they're located in Blairsville GA. Been there a couple times for vacations. Awesome little town
This place has a ton in stock and a fantastic delivery time if you're interested.
https://alexandersstore.com/?s=Long...g=0&woo_currency=USD¤t_page_id=26090230
I was also happy to see they're located in Blairsville GA. Been there a couple times for vacations. Awesome little town
Winchester
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I know the TSS is crazy priced now but there is jut no comparison with Lead. If your serious about increasing your effective range and killing power the TSS is in a whole other bracket vs lead. Myself and my 2 boys all shoot Benellis. All the way from, I have the original Heckler and Koch Super Black Eagle to a 3" Super 90 Monte Feltro, to the Black Eagle 3, all shooting Gobbling Thunder chokes with either Apex or Salt Creek #8's and 9's
These combos are ridiculous out to 65+ yards just literally annihilating a target, literally dozens of pellets still in 8" circle!!
Most times we dont shoot much past 35-40 yards but if needed you have the ability!!
I do like the Longbeard #6 Xr's and feel like they are best choice in lead for the price, just ordered 2 boxes myself.
These combos are ridiculous out to 65+ yards just literally annihilating a target, literally dozens of pellets still in 8" circle!!
Most times we dont shoot much past 35-40 yards but if needed you have the ability!!
I do like the Longbeard #6 Xr's and feel like they are best choice in lead for the price, just ordered 2 boxes myself.
Just throwing out another consideration on Longbeards. They tend to shoot really tight at short distances due to how they are designed. Here's a comparrison of Longbeards 6s vs TSS 9s at 20 yards. I PERSONALLY don't like how tight they are in close.
Just something else to think about.
Just something else to think about.
megalomaniac
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Is TSS better than lead, unquestionably so.
A much better question is... Is TSS 15x better than Longbeard XR's (IN A 12G), since it now costs 15x more? I would argue not even close. Probably twice as effective, but not 15x more effective.
Did hunting with lead vs TSS cost me a bird yesterday afternoon? Probably so. I got on a huge tom with 4 hens at 430pm at 80 yards. I was able to cuss out one of the hens and get her to come to 10 yards from me, and the gobbler followed... to 47 yards, but no closer... then the other hens called him back to them at 80 yards.
I have zero doubts that bird would have been 100% dead with TSS. I'm about 90% sure that bird would have died had I pulled the trigger with my #6 LBXRs. Do I regret not carrying TSS yesterday? Not one bit. Not my cup of tea to shoot past 40 intentionally. I don't feel like I beat him. He won yesterday. But I will get him to inside 40 eventually and will take him home. And for the way I hunt, there just isn't a need for TSS (WITH THE 12G)
megalomaniac
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That EXACTLY is also my greatest fear with LB XRs... Was that through a .660 choke? I think my factory Stevens has a .680, so a little more forgiving up close.
I've killed a couple birds at over 40 yards with Longbeards. They definitely hold a tight pattern. I also killed a coyote at 22 yards with them. It put all the shot in it's shoulder.
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Granddaddy
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I've been wanting to move to a 410 bore using TSS loads but haven't found the time or load to convince me it will be effective in my old Rem Wingmaster 870 - also will probably need to find a newer barrel that accepts choketubes. I did do some TSS pattern shooting in my 20ga version but wasn't satisfied with the pattern so I've just stayed with my Rem 870 Turkey Spec in 12ga using a old CompNchoke & old 2x6 Rem loads that aren't made anymore, I don't think. For some reason, this gun, this choke & this load in this gun seems to be a perfect match & has enabled me to take a number of turkey effectively/consistently out to 50 yards (but the older I get, the more that light weight 410 is calling).
Woodsman10
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I've never seen the 2x6, but the Remington Duplex 4x6 was a hard hitting, dense patterning, superb load out of my old 11-87 Special Purpose.
It's infuriating almost to not find ammunition like that anymore. I like a 2oz lead load, or at least 1-7/8oz (12gauge 3")
I guess I can quit crying and learn how to load my own.
marty d
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I completely agree with Paboom when it comes to the tight pattern long beard XR has up closeā¦.. just like TSS up close you better make sure you're dead on. Now back to 40 I'm real happy with my Target and it would probably do OK at 45 but I'm gonna stop at 40. Last year we shot TSS but I'm just not paying the price for it this year. That's the reason I went with the Lxr. This is out of my H&R 20 gauge with a Trulock long beard XR .560 choke. The first picture is 40 yards. Had 130 pellets in the 10" ring and the second pic is at 20 yards.
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I have a 1971 Wingmaster with a fixed full choke that was my dads and who knows how many birds that gun has killed. Most with 2.75 Winchester XXs.
However, a 410 with TSS outshoots it with almost every load. Even some crappy Remington TSS loads did 120s which is better than I can get with the Wingmaster. My current load of Rogue 9.5s does 170s and no way I'm getting even close to that with the Wingmaster. The 410 is way ligher and has 9 inchs less of barrel
megalomaniac
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Thats one of the best patterns I've seen out of LB XRs in 20g at 40y!
marty d
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When I dropped off the barrel with Jerrod Trulock I told him I was gonna shoot Long beard XR this year or at least try it because tungsten had gotten so ridiculously out of hand pricewise. I told him to set it up the way he would do it if it was his and trusted he would and he did. He came through big time. Plus, no questions ask he said if you don't like it, I'll swap chokes with you with anything else we make if you're not happy with it so I felt pretty confident I made the right choice of where I took it plus I've known him and think a lot of him and his brother, but I'm very pleased with this one. Now this was a brand new box of long beard XR. I've been told by several people that because of the material they put in with the shot to hold it together, will get hard overtime. You want it to be fairly new not something you've rode around with sitting on the dash of your truck for a long period of time. Apparently, when it hardens up, it won't group for love nor money. And lastly, it really did not cost that much in comparison to turn a gun I've had since I was 10 into something I will use for years to come.
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Granddaddy
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Yep, that's the buffer that hardens. You'd think as hard as TSS or steel mixes are, that a buffer wouldn't have much effect.
Granddaddy
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I know the TSS is great stuff but it's so expensive, I can't shoot it enough to workout a good shot/choke combination in my 410. But I'm headed that way. Tired of carrying that heavy 12ga. What choke are you using in your 410?I have a 1971 Wingmaster with a fixed full choke that was my dads and who knows how many birds that gun has killed. Most with 2.75 Winchester XXs.
However, a 410 with TSS outshoots it with almost every load. Even some crappy Remington TSS loads did 120s which is better than I can get with the Wingmaster. My current load of Rogue 9.5s does 170s and no way I'm getting even close to that with the Wingmaster. The 410 is way ligher and has 9 inchs less of barrel
Its not actually buffer, its resin that holds the shot together like a slug until fired
Speaking of 2 ounce loads, do you remember the Activ loads? I shot them and Win. XX. The Activ would almost make you forget where you were.
marty d
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I did a lot of research before I found out I had a gun worthy of adding a choke and optic on itā¦.i was looking at the 410. Prob a Stevens 301 because they are a cheaper single shot. Some of the best groups were from Indian Creekā¦.but I am extremely please with this Trulock I just got. One of the guys I work with bought the Trulock choke for his son's 410 so when he patterns it I will send you some pics and tell you what TSS he shot.
I believe those 3" Activ loads were actually 2 1/4 ounces. Killed on both ends.
Granddaddy
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Yes remember those loads (used to shoot the Activ loads for trap & sheet too). Their hulls were great for reloading. I think the reason for the demise of the Remington 2x6 was that several states outlawed the use of #2 shot for turkey hunting, so Remington discontinued the load. I never used them where illegal & never extended my range attempts. I always take head shots only. But I used them because I couldn't find a load that patterned better in my 12ga with CompNChoke. I tried a range of #4,5&6s in 2 3/4 & 3" but nothing I've found patterns better than those 2x6 loads in 2 3/4" - and I'm running out!
Same.
I'm running an M2 with a Gobbling Thunder and Migra 6/7 TSS and it's just stupid.
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I never saw a Remington 2x6 in lead. Only a 4x6.
I think Remington quit making them because they were good, and everything that is good is no longer made.
I think Remington quit making them because they were good, and everything that is good is no longer made.
Granddaddy
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So the TSS uses this resin to hold the shot together while the softer pellets like lead use a buffer to keep the shot from deforming in high velocity loads. Interesting. I'm surprised a resin would give predictable & repeatable patterns but I guess these load designers know what they are doing. Good info.
megalomaniac
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no, just the opposite
TSS (and several loose lead loads) use buffer for consistency.
Longbeard XR's actually suspend the pellets in a resin, making the entire shot column depart the end of the shotgun in a single slug-like pellet. The wind resistance and natural desire for the lead pellets to disperse causes the resin to begin to disintegrate shortly downrange. That's why they can hold such a tight pattern at 40 yards, and also why they are very unforgiving under 20 yards.
Nope, longbeards use the resin, everyhing else has a loose buffer
