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A fully guided hunt in KY if about $4-4500 for rifle for 4-5 days.

I see Ky and other leases listed from $2000-4000 for all season in good areas. You get one buck...and cant bring a guest. You might get to take a child, but their buck counts as your buck. The acreage is bringing at least $30 per acre so you are sharing areas. There may or may not be any lodging area or camping area.

I know golfers spend a ton, but dang that is expensive for chasing deer....especially if you live 3 or more hours away from the spot.
 
A fully guided hunt in KY if about $4-4500 for rifle for 4-5 days.

I see Ky and other leases listed from $2000-4000 for all season in good areas. You get one buck...and cant bring a guest. You might get to take a child, but their buck counts as your buck. The acreage is bringing at least $30 per acre so you are sharing areas. There may or may not be any lodging area or camping area.

I know golfers spend a ton, but dang that is expensive for chasing deer....especially if you live 3 or more hours away from the spot.
I will stick with what I have now.
 
Yea I'm not paying that much for a lease out of state. I pay for a lease here at home but I spend half of November and all of December hunting it. As far as guided hunts I have been on a couple and feel like I didn't get my money worth. I'd rather roam around on big acreage public land.
 
You guys are behind the times. Fines are set at bottom basement sale prices in Tennessee. Just ride around at night shooting whatever you want, wherever you want. That's one of the most popular forms of hunting where i live in Overton County, Tn. Fire your rifle into whatever you want, it's not even a felony and your saving money! The law is on your side. Only suckers pay for hunting land!!!
 
Around here (SW KY) it's $20-$40 an acre from what I've seen. Would be really hard for me to pay that price and not know if I'll have it the next year. However, if I were to lease my property out then I would have to have that for it to even be worth doing so. All the locals gripe and complain about out of staters coming in and leasing the land up but it don't much bother me. If I was going to lease mine out or even let someone hunt for free I know of way more out of staters than I do locals that I would trust to hunt my property.
 
Around here (SW KY) it's $20-$40 an acre from what I've seen. Would be really hard for me to pay that price and not know if I'll have it the next year. However, if I were to lease my property out then I would have to have that for it to even be worth doing so. All the locals gripe and complain about out of staters coming in and leasingBingo! the land up but it don't much bother me. If I was going to lease mine out or even let someone hunt for free I know of way more out of staters than I do locals that I would trust to hunt my property.
Bingo! Farmers where i hunt in West KY say the same.
More trouble out of locals.
 
I will be the first to admit that deer hunting has become a rich man's sport, and that has substantially hurt deer hunting for the masses. At the same time, I see where these "rich men" have produced the healthiest and most productive deer herds that have existed in TN in the last 100 years. Pluses and minuses exist to everything.

As we age, we tend to start appreciating the esoteric and philosophical more than the practical. When I was young and a newer deer hunter, I cared far more about the practical. I cared about what would make deer hunting and killing deer a little easier for the "common man," because that's where I was and was driven by - the desire to deer hunt and kill deer. But as I've aged and become more jaded from all of the deer I've killed, I tend to look more at the philosophical side of deer hunting. Why is deer hunting valuable in a person's life? Because it forces the learning of difficult skills. It is valuable because it is hard to accomplish, especially when we consider the killing of older, bigger bucks. I now almost exclusively hunt for older, bigger bucks because it is a worthy challenge that is difficult to accomplish. The value is in the struggle. I worry that this constant drive to make it easier and easier to accomplish removes what gives this pursuit its value. But I have to weigh that against the myriad of other hunters who are not in the same position as I currently am - all of those hunters who struggle to find a place to hunt or are limited to public lands. Changes in regulations that give more opportunities to those hunters have value as well.
 
I am one of the bad guys that will pay for access. I don't fish, golf, gamble, womanize, etc. Bow hunting is my passion, and all my discretionary spending goes towards that. In my career I have moved around a lot so never built relationships needed for free access. Now that I am older, I have the funds to lease but cannot find land that meets my needs. I do the WMA thing. I enjoy my saddle and the mobile hunting challenge but there is something to be said about going into a spot with a stand already in place, climbing up and watching the woods come alive and having a little peace of mind knowing some clown is not going to come walking by in the woods blowing a grunt call.
 
I am one of the bad guys that will pay for access. I don't fish, golf, gamble, womanize, etc. Bow hunting is my passion, and all my discretionary spending goes towards that.
It doesn't take a rich man to lease land. I hear all the time "these guys come in that are rich and lease everything". Which is true to a point. I know a lot of guys who are really well off and pay big time for leases and even have bought property around here. One bought 178 acres for $700k last year and his wife called and asked why $700k came out of their account lol.

On the other hand, I know a lot of "average" people that lease around here every year. They have good jobs but not rich but hunting is their passion and they save and budget their money for hunting. It's not hard to do.
 
I will be the first to admit that deer hunting has become a rich man's sport, and that has substantially hurt deer hunting for the masses.
And this trend is killing the geese laying the golden eggs for those marketers who have made deer hunting more a rich man's sport?
Why is deer hunting valuable in a person's life? Because it forces the learning of difficult skills. It is valuable because it is hard to accomplish, especially when we consider the killing of older, bigger bucks.
You are mostly preaching to the choir on this website. Unfortunately, most of today's younger and/or potential future deer hunters have bought into the very false idea we need expensive gimmicks and must spend a fortune to have good deer hunting.

In fact, most are being "sold" on shooting & killing, rather than on hunting?
Or "facebook" recognition, i.e. "look at me, I'm a great hunter"?

IMO, sport deer hunting is dying out much quicker than most want to think.
It's not going away completely, but the next generation is just not going to participate at a fraction the level of prior generations.

In the future, there may be more people being paid to kill deer (near their homes), than there were hunters paying for deer leases?
 
You guys are behind the times. Fines are set at bottom basement sale prices in Tennessee. Just ride around at night shooting whatever you want, wherever you want. That's one of the most popular forms of hunting where i live in Overton County, Tn. Fire your rifle into whatever you want, it's not even a felony and your saving money! The law is on your side. Only suckers pay for hunting land!!!
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I'm one of the bad guys as well. I'd pay it for a good lease. Deer and turkey hunting are my things to do. I already leave several places in middle tn. I'm not rich. It's what i choose to spend my money on.
 
I now almost exclusively hunt for older, bigger bucks because it is a worthy challenge that is difficult to accomplish.
What defines our hunting success, what defines a "trophy" buck, all have certainly changed over the past many years.

But I have to weigh that against the myriad of other hunters who are not in the same position as I currently am - all of those hunters who struggle to find a place to hunt or are limited to public lands.
Both agree & disagree.
IMO, being "limited" to public lands is more a case of "different",
than being "bad" or "limited".

While you & I may be in a better position than most regarding "where" we can hunt, I have to think back to my earlier deer hunting days, where most private & public land in TN didn't even have a deer season. THAT was a time of real "struggle" for a TN deer hunter. The county I grew up in, didn't even have a deer season until about the time I went off to college. No turkey season either.

But there were then more hunters afield than are today!
Opening of Squirrel Season then was a bigger deal than is deer season today.
All woodlands were then crowded with squirrel hunters.
All fields and brushy areas were then crowded with rabbit & "bird" hunters.
Finding a place to hunt was easy, but it was easy for everybody,
and everybody was there!

Despite all the complaints, most public land deer hunting is relatively good, much higher quality deer herds, than only a couple decades ago.
Younger deer hunters today really have no idea just how much more deer-hunting "opportunity" they have today than did most only a couple decades ago, much less a couple generations ago.

For those who hunt public lands and see other hunters, all I can say is you should have been deer hunting in TN during the 1970's & 80's. It typically didn't matter whether you were hunting public or private lands, as more other hunters were sharing the woods with you or near you. In fact, opening day of deer season sounded like the beginning of war, there was so much shooting, like hearing hundreds of shots in a day, instead of only a handful or none at all.

Seems the grass is always greener on the other side of some issue?
Until you experience both sides?


Despite having some of the better private property "trophy" places to hunt in TN, despite being on one of the larger-acreage deer leases in TN, I still find myself now progressively doing more & more deer hunting on public lands each year.

Why?
Because leases are often made up of a membership of very avid & accomplished deer hunters, who actually high-grade the potential best-antlered bucks to a much higher degree than many public lands. Growing older bucks with above average antlers is very difficult when those with above average antlers are nearly all hunter-killed at the age of either 2 1/2 or 3 1/2.

Believe it or not, there seems to much less hunter antler high-grading on many public lands than most private deer leases. If your goal is to kill a mature buck in TN with a 150-class rack, ironically, you may have better odds of that on many TN public lands vs. many expensive TN hunting leases. If you want to step it up above 150, you generally need to go to a state like KY, or some Midwest State, for any realistic odds with any year-to-year consistency.

One of the best managed, large acreage "trophy buck" deer leases in TN has long been the Ames Hunting Club (18,000-plus contiguous acres). And I generally have nothing but good things to say about them. But in the past few decades, how many bucks over 150 inches of antler have been killed there? Very, very few. Or how about even one that would make the B&C record book?

For those younger hunters who really want to understand more how most TN deer hunting once was, wilderness hunting (not suburban deer shooting), I suggest you spend a week hunting in the Cherokee National Forest. You probably will not kill a deer, may not even see one, but you might find the aesthetics, the adventure, and the challenge of more value to you than just shooting another deer over a corn pile.
 
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they have to be there to kill them and most public land in east tn they are not
They not on most private land in east tn either!

Not disagreeing with you, but ironically, pretty amazing the percentage of TN registry bucks that came from public hunting lands rather than private. More a case of 140-plus-class bucks being very rare in TN, regardless if the land is public or private.

Even crazier, the highest scoring TN bucks are now more often coming from urban areas, like the city limits of Nashville. Also crazy is how many of the highest scoring TN bucks have actually come from East TN rather than West TN (which generally has better soils and more ag crops).
 
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In fact, most are being "sold" on shooting & killing, rather than on hunting?
That's one of the things that bothers me about all the trends in muzzleloaders these days. Every manufacturer and every YouTube "celebrity" goes on and on about muzzleloaders and set-ups that shoot 300 yards. To me, that's just not muzzleloader hunting. It's rifle hunting. But don't listen to me. I'm just old, grumpy and pining for "the good old days."

Or "facebook" recognition, i.e. "look at me, I'm a great hunter"?
Thankfully, I've never once been on Facebook. However, don't get me started about the YouTube channel "experts." Some of those turds get on my last nerve.
 
That's one of the things that bothers me about all the trends in muzzleloaders these days. Every manufacturer and every YouTube "celebrity" goes on and on about muzzleloaders and set-ups that shoot 300 yards. To me, that's just not muzzleloader hunting. It's rifle hunting. But don't listen to me. I'm just old, grumpy and pining for "the good old days."


Thankfully, I've never once been on Facebook. However, don't get me started about the YouTube channel "experts." Some of those turds get on my last nerve.


BSK....you would be a good interview for the HUNTR podcast boys.
 
They not on most private land in east tn either!

Not disagreeing with you, but ironically, pretty amazing the percentage of TN registry bucks that came from public hunting lands rather than private. More a case of 140-plus-class bucks being very rare in TN, regardless if the land is public or private.

Even crazier, the highest scoring TN bucks are now more often coming from urban areas, like the city limits of Nashville. Also crazy is how many of the highest scoring TN bucks have actually come from East TN rather than West TN (which generally has better soils and more ag crops).
Its definitely not ironic, the biggest bucks that come off public that are in the book are the ones that find a hole and learn to stay in it, until an old gal drags em out after theyve hit maturity. The private lands around here dont stand a chance with every fudd out there killing any buck that strolls by. Dont get me wrong they can kill whatever they want but they wont stop at two! With the decline in participation we are seeing here maybe they will start having a chance to grow.
 
BSK....you would be a good interview for the HUNTR podcast boys.
I'm still not sure what to think of those guys. I've watched a couple of their YouTube videos, and at times, they seem reasonable. But at other times they come across as the typical property-hopping Kansas/Iowa/Illinois arrogant trophy hunters I despise.
 
I'm still not sure what to think of those guys. I've watched a couple of their YouTube videos, and at times, they seem reasonable. But at other times they come across as the typical property-hopping Kansas/Iowa/Illinois arrogant trophy hunters I despise.
They suck. Their attitudes are horrible and they are pompous. Look at everything thru their lens and never anyone else's. One has 1000 acres of private in prime Ohio. All he does is cry about it. The other just brags about how many farms he's buying in different states. No use for them. Nothing informative all flex.
 
I'm still not sure what to think of those guys. I've watched a couple of their YouTube videos, and at times, they seem reasonable. But at other times they come across as the typical property-hopping Kansas/Iowa/Illinois arrogant trophy hunters I despise.
Basically, but you could share your opinions with others. This site once had 1000's of members, but not sure how many people actually frequent and read it anymore.
 
They suck. Their attitudes are horrible and they are pompous. Look at everything thru their lens and never anyone else's. One has 1000 acres of private in prime Ohio. All he does is cry about it. The other just brags about how many farms he's buying in different states. No use for them. Nothing informative all flex.
Well, it is their podcast! I have enjoyed a lot of the interviews.
 
Well, it is their podcast! I have enjoyed a lot of the interviews.
I didn't say I didn't like listening to their guests. If it was just them I'd have no idea the podcast existed cause those 2 don't bring anything to the table. One thing they do that I will give them props for is they let the guest talk and don't smother the show.
 
It does seem strange that there's supposedly fewer hunters, yet demand for hunting land is through the roof.
I think it's a couple things. Hunters realized that the "home ranges" of deer is really a lot of ground. And it's also control what you can control like our instances and while I honestly don't care what people shoot. We love seeing deer get mature and we know we can get them there instead of a neighbor high grading a 3 year old. Take that with a lot of land just not being there any more that used to. It's a competitive market.
 

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