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Shooting and missing left or right. I was shooting and missing left/right but elevation was fine and couldn't figure it out till one day I missed left with an arrow and when I pulled it I noticed something particular about the grain or something and when that arrow came up for the next round thru the quiver i noticed that grain thing and that arrow shot left again and the light went on. Right then I got all my arrows and instead of shooting them indiscriminately from the quiver,I shot each one and charted if they shot left or right or straight down the center. I've got one arrow that is a little lighter stained than the rest and that arrow is my buddy lol, it is spined perfect and shoots dead on every time. On wood arrows I found some alittle weak and some alittle stiff on spine. The ones that were badly out of spine either weak or stiff I marked them and set them aside or just broke them,got the point off and trashed them. That got me thinking,if the arrows themselves can be weak/stiff,maybe my little left right misses are from creating weak/stiff spines by underdrawing/overdrawing when I was shooting. a little testing and yep it will happen. After that I got alot more careful about having a consistant draw length and the left/right spread in the groups started to shrink.

I read later that Hill would make up 100 arrows and shoot them out of a certain weight bow,the ones that shot left would go in a pile for a lighter weight bow and the ones that shot right went to a heavier bow. The one that shot down the middle were for the bow he was shooting at the time.
 
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I read later that Hill would make up 100 arrows and shoot them out of a certain weight bow,the ones that shot left would go in a pile for a lighter weight bow and the ones that shot right went to a heavier bow. The one that shot down the middle were for the bow he was shooting at the time.
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I also read that he would take an arrow from each shooter around him and shot all of them at a target and group them all together, regardless of spine etc.
Schultz stated that Howard was so anal about his personal arrows that every arrow had to be cut to where the back of the tip stopped at the riser at his draw. this didn't matter if it was a BH, FP, blunt, whatever. Schultz stated that he followed that requirement with his own personal arrows and almost drove the lady that made his arrows insane.
 
I read that too, My guess is how he did it was he probably knew he was shooting the heavier bow and looked at the person or their bow and knew the arrows were underspined and he would compensate. Maybe by short drawing or just shooting to the right???

Hey your carbon arrows, how did you tune them to shoot out of your bow? Did you cut them a little at a time till they shot right? I would go that route but I don't know a place where I can shoot and cut till the right length is hit, it might take half a day of back and forth from bow place to place to shoot.
 
fortunately I can shoot in my back yard and I acquired an arrow saw from a now closed store.
tuning those shafts was a long process for me. my first mistake was using compound tuning methods. I had helped at that now closed store and we cured flight problems by using heavier shafts. we didn't check FOCs, just looked at the shaft chart and went from there. carbons were just hitting the scene then and a lot of them were junk. I finally listened to what I had read about going to a weaker spine and things started clearing up.
I did that and had a lot better arrow flight but wasn't prefect. then started learning about how brace height affects arrow tuning and noise. I just worked from there.
one thing I did do that helped, I quit buying mixed brands of shafts. they don't always fly with each other. even the wrapped(camo, wood grain, etc) fly different and weigh different than the black shafts.
 
That's handy. I think a good matched , tuned set of carbons or aluminum would solve a bunch of longbow/RC shooters problems. I think folks blame bow,themselves or whatever for problems mis-spined arrows cause. If your spines are all over the place,your groups will be the same,no way around it. Man, I just need to bite the bullet and get some carbons and get it over with. Once it's done,it's done and every arrow bought from then on just has to match one already in the quiver.

Speaking of that "A" riser,my dad had one that became kinda a family bow,we all used it for different things. It had a set of 40lb and 55lb limbs. As a teenager I shot the #40 at gars with a fish arrow tied to about 30' of trotline and a milk jug. Kinda a mini "Jaws" deal. I deer hunted with it a little and my brother shot it with the 55lbs deer hunting. He has is now in his gunsafe.
 
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