Interesting study. Yes/No you believe it?

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Researchers from Penn State's College of Agricultural Sciences are entering Year 2 of a five-year deer and forest study. It's being carried out on four sites, each measuring 25 to 40 square miles, in Bald Eagle, Rothrock and Susquehannock state forests.

The study has several goals, including:

• Examining deer impacts on forest health and the effectiveness of the measures to monitor it.

• Determining how hunters use the deer management assistance program and how they react to changes in the deer population.

But something else is proving interesting.

As part of their work, researchers have put collars on deer — including bucks that have survived two hunting seasons — and tracked their movements. GPS collars transmit data about deer locations. That occurs every five to six hours in winter, spring and summer and every three hours during archery season. It increases to every 20 minutes during the two-week firearms gun season.

Information collected thus far shows deer react — and not in a small way — to the orange army of hunters nearly 800,000 strong each gun season.

"Their behaviors in archery season, there's nothing to suggest these deer are being impacted by the hunting that's going on to any great extent," said Duane Diefenbach, leader of the Pennsylvania Cooperative Fish and Wildlife Research Unit, and one of the study's leaders. "But once the rifle season begins, we see some pretty dramatic differences. Some of these bucks will leave their home range and go places we've never seen them in the previous 10 months. It's pretty amazing."

Equally so is how sensitive those collared whitetails are to pressure, Diefenbach said. They change their patterns almost immediately on the Sunday before the opening day of deer season — when hunters enter the woods to check on their stands, make a last scouting trip or burn off the energy of anticipation — and then go back to their normal routine within a day of the season ending, he said.

"It's like flipping a switch," Diefenbach said.

And where do all those savvy bucks and does go?

Wherever hunters can't, don't or won't, said Chris Rosenberry, head of the deer and elk section for the Pennsylvania Game Commission and a biologist involved in the study.

He cited the example of one savvy buck. It climbed about 400 feet higher in elevation once hunting season started than it had before and moved further into the woods, so it was about 1,000 yards from the nearest road.

That kind of reaction was typical of deer that survived the season, he said.

"These animals were in areas that are not readily accessible. They went beyond where the hunters were," Rosenberry said.

It's not true that they become largely nocturnal, Diefenbach said. That commonly held notion appears to be "a lot of bunk," he said.

Rather, Rosenberry said, deer retreat to places hunters aren't.

"Every one of these animals, if they survive two hunting seasons, have places that either no one goes or that are just so thick. Unless you did a drive, they're just going to walk circles around you," he said.

Diefenbach said he hopes to send people to walk the ground where these deer hide to see what those spots look like.

In the meantime, the deer are making good use of them. Hunters killed only about 10 percent of collared does and 20 to 25 percent of collared bucks in Year 1 of the study, Diefenbach said.

That so many deer survived is not surprising, at least when it comes to does, Rosenberry said. Multiple studies have shown 85 to 90 percent of does survive hunting season no matter how long the season.

The low buck harvest rate was a little more unexpected, he said. But, he added, as the study is revealing, perhaps they shouldn't be.

"The odds are stacked against the hunter," Rosenberry said. "These deer are not nearly as predictable as hunters would like them to be."

Bob Frye is a staff writer for Trib Total Media. Reach him at [email protected] or via Twitter @bobfryeoutdoors.
 
There's a whole list of excuses I plan to use right there, I'd always felt like that was the case. Interesting for sure and that's why, in years past, I usually hunted archery and MZ only, then skip rifle season.
 
Carlos":rmsx92ju said:
There's a whole list of excuses I plan to use right there, I'd always felt like that was the case. Interesting for sure and that's why, in years past, I usually hunted archery and MZ only, then skip rifle season.
Hahaha...

I always told my wife that they know exactly when deer season is... Think the same thing about rabbits around the house

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Common sense would tell you that whether a buck extends his gun season range past his normal home range or not probably depends on how safe he feels. In other words, if orange vests invade like an army and there's no cutover too thick for hunters to walk through with a stand on his back, yep, I can see how the buck might seek out somewhere he feels safe. I mean, they have dusk to dawn to explore the countryside every night. So in other words, I'm not surprised at all that the study suggests that mature bucks simply go where hunters won't when they feel the hunting pressure....whether that's within his normal range, or not. Seems to be my experience as well, and where I hunt, thick cutovers are key.

A couple of years ago I was watching a doe feeding on acorns at the very edge of a really thick cutover that extended almost all the way into a large curve in a county road, with myself not being much more than 100 yds off the road. It was probably five days or so into muzzleloader season and all of a sudden about twenty yards away from where the doe had been feeding, a really nice mature buck runs out with a coyote on his heels. The coyote put on the brakes when he hit the oaks and turned around while the big buck headed toward the road. Well, half an hour or so later the buck came back from the direction of the road that I'd stupidly assumed he'd crossed, and quickly went right back into the cutover. I was caught flatfooted both times I'd seen him and never could get a shot. No doubt the doe was his girl, but he was gonna get back in that cover, even though it was where the coyote probably still was.
 
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I wonder if this question figured into their collared buck/doe harvest rate:

Would you shoot a deer that is wearing a collar?
I don't think I would, as it is obviously being used in a scientific study.

I saw one study where it showed that a collared, mature buck, was staying within 200 yards of a trail head where all the hunters in the area parked. The people monitoring his gps collar said that had a really good laugh at all the hunters that walked right past him.
 
I talked with a fellow hunter yesterday evening, who owns a business in town. We were swapping pics and talking when he told me the biggest buck he'd ever seen in the wild, was just behind his store there in town. And, that the GW had shown him a pic earlier this season of a huge 16 point taken out on the mtn up behind him. The buck was the same one, with a huge J shaped drop tine, and enormous dia and length browtines that were unmistakeable. That deer was taken 2-1/2 miles from where they had seen it earlier in the season. Amazing.
 
I agree that deer avoid pressure, but they are over playing it a bit, IMO. Pressure isn't the cause of the excursions from the home range. That biologist is doing something a lot of them do.. Leaving out info. The gun season is set up at that time for a reason. Deer are on their feet more. Even in places with no pressure, deer make excursions and move more in daylight as the rut approaches.

I also think it would make more sense to record the same amount of data if you are going to compare the movement of deer at different times of the season.
 
I know it sounds silly to think they "know" when the real pressure is on but I have seen deer do some interesting things. I know it has to be for a reason. I watched an old buck I had been chasing for several years bed down 50 yards from the cabin on the property where we stayed and parked. A spot I would have never in a million years thought a deer of any age or size would bed. Walked all around in the spot to jump him up and he never moved. I threw a rock into a brush pile and he crawled out of it and took off. Of course, he never bedded there again, and I never saw him again. My brother was hunting a buck that was on camera as much as a Kardashian until bow season started. Not a glance of him all season. The day after season closed he was on the camera at 9 am licking salt. Absolute true story.

I think deer have personalities and perceive threats in different ways like humans do. Some deer never want to be seen, some run at the first perceived threat, and some are nosey and unaware there is a threat until it's too late. My favorite part of hunting is observing their behavior during bow season. Especially a large group of does. A few won't know, or at least act, like you are there. A few seem to know you are in the tree and not care. And 1 or 2 will blow out of there and not give you any evidence they saw you.
 
Fleet Fox":1s0vp5ox said:
I know it sounds silly to think they "know" when the real pressure is on but I have seen deer do some interesting things. I know it has to be for a reason. I watched an old buck I had been chasing for several years bed down 50 yards from the cabin on the property where we stayed and parked. A spot I would have never in a million years thought a deer of any age or size would bed. Walked all around in the spot to jump him up and he never moved. I threw a rock into a brush pile and he crawled out of it and took off. Of course, he never bedded there again, and I never saw him again. My brother was hunting a buck that was on camera as much as a Kardashian until bow season started. Not a glance of him all season. The day after season closed he was on the camera at 9 am licking salt. Absolute true story.

I think deer have personalities and perceive threats in different ways like humans do. Some deer never want to be seen, some run at the first perceived threat, and some are nosey and unaware there is a threat until it's too late. My favorite part of hunting is observing their behavior during bow season. Especially a large group of does. A few won't know, or at least act, like you are there. A few seem to know you are in the tree and not care. And 1 or 2 will blow out of there and not give you any evidence they saw you.

I've often wondered just how close you are to the deer you are after. One example from this season, November 13th I hunted a location that is good way off the beaten path and I had been getting pictures of the mature buck I was after at a pinch point. After dark came I put a camera up on a mock scrape that I had just freshly made and 8 minutes after I turned the camera on there he was. This was within 40-50 yards of my stand which was in a laurel thicket. Also after I set the camera up I had to go get my stand off the tree and and load up and head out. So , I was BARELY out of the area after he came in. Unfortunately I found out he was poached that next weekend and I was hunting in Indiana.
 
McCoy":37bl7o2m said:
Fleet Fox":37bl7o2m said:
I know it sounds silly to think they "know" when the real pressure is on but I have seen deer do some interesting things. I know it has to be for a reason. I watched an old buck I had been chasing for several years bed down 50 yards from the cabin on the property where we stayed and parked. A spot I would have never in a million years thought a deer of any age or size would bed. Walked all around in the spot to jump him up and he never moved. I threw a rock into a brush pile and he crawled out of it and took off. Of course, he never bedded there again, and I never saw him again. My brother was hunting a buck that was on camera as much as a Kardashian until bow season started. Not a glance of him all season. The day after season closed he was on the camera at 9 am licking salt. Absolute true story.

I think deer have personalities and perceive threats in different ways like humans do. Some deer never want to be seen, some run at the first perceived threat, and some are nosey and unaware there is a threat until it's too late. My favorite part of hunting is observing their behavior during bow season. Especially a large group of does. A few won't know, or at least act, like you are there. A few seem to know you are in the tree and not care. And 1 or 2 will blow out of there and not give you any evidence they saw you.

I've often wondered just how close you are to the deer you are after. One example from this season, November 13th I hunted a location that is good way off the beaten path and I had been getting pictures of the mature buck I was after at a pinch point. After dark came I put a camera up on a mock scrape that I had just freshly made and 8 minutes after I turned the camera on there he was. This was within 40-50 yards of my stand which was in a laurel thicket. Also after I set the camera up I had to go get my stand off the tree and and load up and head out. So , I was BARELY out of the area after he came in. Unfortunately I found out he was poached that next weekend and I was hunting in Indiana.
I took a leak in a scrape a couple weeks ago and walked 100 yards to pull up a ground blind, as I was walking back a group of does had appeared out of nowhere and was smelling the scrape and taking a leak in it as well. It all happened within a matter of 15 min. They just watched as I loaded up the truck and took off. Sometimes I feel like throwing everything I think I have learned out the window. But then again, I take that as a learning experience.
 
My brother and I have come to believe that sometimes they see you and it is acceptable and sometimes it is not.
 
Well if they were easy to figure out it would not be that much fun would it. I agree with the comment about not shooting a deer with a collar. I don't think I would.
 
Master Chief":ikcxxtk2 said:
I agree that deer avoid pressure, but they are over playing it a bit, IMO. Pressure isn't the cause of the excursions from the home range. That biologist is doing something a lot of them do.. Leaving out info. The gun season is set up at that time for a reason. Deer are on their feet more. Even in places with no pressure, deer make excursions and move more in daylight as the rut approaches.

I also think it would make more sense to record the same amount of data if you are going to compare the movement of deer at different times of the season.

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in my opinion the deer will pattern the hunter faster than the hunter will pattern them. the best chance of killing a boner is to stay out of an area until you can enter it and kill the deer as far as you can see them. and that means with a firearm of some sort. how many times have you killed a deer when you walk into a new spot vs a stand site you hunt all the time? they don't have to shift travel patterns much here in order to avoid being seen.
 
ChippewaPartners":457kp7cc said:
It's not true that they become largely nocturnal, Diefenbach said. That commonly held notion appears to be "a lot of bunk," he said.

I have real problems with those kind of overbroad statements. In the area researched, older bucks did not go nocturnal. But the area researched (rugged mountains with limited access), deer could avoid hunters by simply moving farther away from easy human access. However, what about farm country, or any area interlaced with many, many easy access routes? Deer develop highly localized reactions to hunting pressure, and each situation may produce a different survival response. Saying suddenly hunted bucks don't go nocturnal where they cannot use movement to get away from hunters would be a mistake.
 
BSK":113a8ixa said:
ChippewaPartners":113a8ixa said:
It's not true that they become largely nocturnal, Diefenbach said. That commonly held notion appears to be "a lot of bunk," he said.

I have real problems with those kind of overbroad statements. In the area researched, older bucks did not go nocturnal. But the area researched (rugged mountains with limited access), deer could avoid hunters by simply moving farther away from easy human access. However, what about farm country, or any area interlaced with many, many easy access routes? Deer develop highly localized reactions to hunting pressure, and each situation may produce a different survival response. Saying suddenly hunted bucks don't go nocturnal where they cannot use movement to get away from hunters would be a mistake.

Good post. I almost hate seeing these studies now because I fear people take too much out of them. Whitetails are a very diverse species. What they do from one area to another can be completely different. It can even be more complex than that-what different individual bucks do in a given area can be completely different.

It's cool to take these individual studies and compare the results, but I think the more we try to make some generalized formula about deer behavior the farther we get from reality.


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Well said Master Chief. I prefer to look at these studies and be amazed by the diversity of responses found in different situations. The adaptive ability of the white-tailed deer is certainly the reason it has become the dominant large mammal in North America.

I never cease to be amazed at how differently white-tailed deer behave in different parts of the country. And that's one of the reasons deer hunting in one area really can't be compared to deer hunting in another. I know hunters who are highly successful in one situation, but force them to hunt a very different location and they're lost. In fact, I sort of fall into that category! I specialize in hunting ridge-and-hollow "big woods." But put me in a southern swamp, or northern big woods, and I wouldn't know where to start. The deer behave so differently in each of those situations.
 
This far into the season and I'm beginning to think I'm lost in every situation.

I'll agree that I find some studies very interesting as long as they're kept in perspective. When deer can and do act differently sometimes only miles apart it often sounds like they're hunting an entirely different animal than the one I'm hunting.
 
I agree with the concept of a somewhat broad diversity of behavior for this critter that makes us sit in a tree in cold weather day after day. The following study is a very good one oh hunting pressure. Again, it is a study of a single population of deer in one specific geographic location, with it's own specific habitat, cover and food availability.

But i do think that all of the new technologies will make these studies more commonplace. Once we have a large enough population of studies to draw from, it will become easier to discern and narrow down the traits and behaviors that are general to the whitetail species as a whole.

The author of the study also agrees about the diversity of behavior, as expressed in this quote from his conclusions

One thing we've learned about deer movements is they are difficult to generalize. Some patterns emerge, but on the whole, deer just seem to have unique "personalities" that dictate their movements and home-range size. However, one thing that isn't as hard to pin down is the ability of deer, regardless of how old or how unique their "personalities" may be, to become aware of our presence in the woods.

http://dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/pdf/PressurePointsQDMA.pdf
 

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