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But between a significant drought and unrelenting browse from the NW ft Campbell herd, no other crop, no other variety could have survived and certainly not continued to try to produce. This is why I plant Eagle beans!
Any normal year these would have been waste to shoulder deep and very full. Some of these I counted 11 times they have been nipped back and still trying to grow.
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Few questions @Popcorn :

How are your Green Cover Seed plots looking?
Do you use crimper at all?

Obviously when there's no rain, there is little hope. As poor as yours look, know they look much better than mine 😂. We've been tossing the idea back and forth on getting a Goliath crimper. I've been in contact with a dealer in Dickson. I think it is time to just take the plunge. If I look at herbicide costs for next spring, I'm looking at about $800. I'd rather that money go towards an investment (crimper) rather than a one time fix.

Only question I have, is how well does a crimper do on pigweed, spring growth on brassicas, other weeds? I can't find anything that shows results on that….just on cereal rye, nothing else.
 
Few questions @Popcorn :

How are your Green Cover Seed plots looking?
Do you use crimper at all?

Obviously when there's no rain, there is little hope. As poor as yours look, know they look much better than mine 😂. We've been tossing the idea back and forth on getting a Goliath crimper. I've been in contact with a dealer in Dickson. I think it is time to just take the plunge. If I look at herbicide costs for next spring, I'm looking at about $800. I'd rather that money go towards an investment (crimper) rather than a one time fix.

Only question I have, is how well does a crimper do on pigweed, spring growth on brassicas, other weeds? I can't find anything that shows results on that….just on cereal rye, nothing else.
Green cover seed plots were a loss. The buckwheat that was there got hammered right up front. A little of the sun hemp looked to have a chance but once they tasted it it was gone overnight. The short stature milo survived in a couple plots but is less than 24 inches tall. I am waiting to see if it is gonna make seed heads. Overall the soil and the drought was more than it could survive.
I crimped over 350 acres for a few years and I loved the results but there are some prerequisites that became very important .
1. plant population matters! For a crimper to work well there must be good matter density so the weight of the crimper can pin and crimp against the ground.
2. Weight or pressure matters. You must fill it with water or a solution or the process is not sufficient. Down draft on your tractor can help or add weight on top.
3. speed, our crimper gave the absolute best results at 3.5 mph. Slower was better but very slow progress makes great things hard to do right.
4. Cereal rye is the most successful plant to crimp if done at the right time. (Milk stage).
Add vetch to the mix and it will mat everything together for a clean and thorough crimp down. The process will not kill the vetch but it's a great legume that barley competes so I never minded it.
5. Crimping will not kill most brassicas but if there is enough matter covering it the lack of sunlight will.
6. Crimping is a component and is only as successful as the entire process. IF you have a solid mat of matter on the ground you can and will greatly reduce the germination of many weeds including pigweed but have a thin area where sun meets the soil and they will be there.

I love what crimping does.
Suppress weed germination
Insulate soil temps
Insulate soil moisture
Holds topsoil
Reduces erosion
Protects seedlings during a critical period
Reduces tillage needs
Improves soil biology
Can save money if done right
Keeps that matter there for a slow decay feeding future crops.
7. Be prepared to manually remove any areas of undesirable plants where the matter was not thick enough to prevent germination. Be prepared to throw down some fast germination seed in these thin spots to fill in and reduce manual labor. I like wheat and or millet or turnips.

Crimping was created as a part of an intense soil building process and can be a valuable part of your crops but what you save in chemicals will be consumed in the first couple of years in increased seed costs, cost of the crimper. After that the savings will begin to be evident but the soil improvements will be the most valuable gain you get from crimping.

A note on pigweed and it's family of devil plants. It has many strengths but camouflage is one of its strongest. Many people never realize they have a problem until it shoots up a seed head! It remains unseen at a glance till then. You must walk in your fields to know your weaknesses.
 
unreal browse pressure... how many acres is that field?
6 acres 500 yards from ft Campbell line right offf the NW corner. I have 3 1 acre clover plots to the east and 1 on the ft Campbell line plus another 4 acres of beans 500 yards northeast of this field.
This is the worst the beans have ever looked. The clover stays mowed, looks like the greens on a golf course
 
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Green cover seed plots were a loss. The buckwheat that was there got hammered right up front. A little of the sun hemp looked to have a chance but once they tasted it it was gone overnight. The short stature milo survived in a couple plots but is less than 24 inches tall. I am waiting to see if it is gonna make seed heads. Overall the soil and the drought was more than it could survive.
I crimped over 350 acres for a few years and I loved the results but there are some prerequisites that became very important .
1. plant population matters! For a crimper to work well there must be good matter density so the weight of the crimper can pin and crimp against the ground.
2. Weight or pressure matters. You must fill it with water or a solution or the process is not sufficient. Down draft on your tractor can help or add weight on top.
3. speed, our crimper gave the absolute best results at 3.5 mph. Slower was better but very slow progress makes great things hard to do right.
4. Cereal rye is the most successful plant to crimp if done at the right time. (Milk stage).
Add vetch to the mix and it will mat everything together for a clean and thorough crimp down. The process will not kill the vetch but it's a great legume that barley competes so I never minded it.
5. Crimping will not kill most brassicas but if there is enough matter covering it the lack of sunlight will.
6. Crimping is a component and is only as successful as the entire process. IF you have a solid mat of matter on the ground you can and will greatly reduce the germination of many weeds including pigweed but have a thin area where sun meets the soil and they will be there.

I love what crimping does.
Suppress weed germination
Insulate soil temps
Insulate soil moisture
Holds topsoil
Reduces erosion
Protects seedlings during a critical period
Reduces tillage needs
Improves soil biology
Can save money if done right
Keeps that matter there for a slow decay feeding future crops.
7. Be prepared to manually remove any areas of undesirable plants where the matter was not thick enough to prevent germination. Be prepared to throw down some fast germination seed in these thin spots to fill in and reduce manual labor. I like wheat and or millet or turnips.

Crimping was created as a part of an intense soil building process and can be a valuable part of your crops but what you save in chemicals will be consumed in the first couple of years in increased seed costs, cost of the crimper. After that the savings will begin to be evident but the soil improvements will be the most valuable gain you get from crimping.

A note on pigweed and it's family of devil plants. It has many strengths but camouflage is one of its strongest. Many people never realize they have a problem until it shoots up a seed head! It remains unseen at a glance till then. You must walk in your fields to know your weaknesses.
Such a powerful post. Thank you!

I have no problem going around and checking fields for spots where the crimper or drill didn't properly do their job. Find those areas and spray, then spread some wheat really thick in those areas.
 
Green cover seed plots were a loss. The buckwheat that was there got hammered right up front. A little of the sun hemp looked to have a chance but once they tasted it it was gone overnight. The short stature milo survived in a couple plots but is less than 24 inches tall. I am waiting to see if it is gonna make seed heads. Overall the soil and the drought was more than it could survive.
I crimped over 350 acres for a few years and I loved the results but there are some prerequisites that became very important .
1. plant population matters! For a crimper to work well there must be good matter density so the weight of the crimper can pin and crimp against the ground.
2. Weight or pressure matters. You must fill it with water or a solution or the process is not sufficient. Down draft on your tractor can help or add weight on top.
3. speed, our crimper gave the absolute best results at 3.5 mph. Slower was better but very slow progress makes great things hard to do right.
4. Cereal rye is the most successful plant to crimp if done at the right time. (Milk stage).
Add vetch to the mix and it will mat everything together for a clean and thorough crimp down. The process will not kill the vetch but it's a great legume that barley competes so I never minded it.
5. Crimping will not kill most brassicas but if there is enough matter covering it the lack of sunlight will.
6. Crimping is a component and is only as successful as the entire process. IF you have a solid mat of matter on the ground you can and will greatly reduce the germination of many weeds including pigweed but have a thin area where sun meets the soil and they will be there.

I love what crimping does.
Suppress weed germination
Insulate soil temps
Insulate soil moisture
Holds topsoil
Reduces erosion
Protects seedlings during a critical period
Reduces tillage needs
Improves soil biology
Can save money if done right
Keeps that matter there for a slow decay feeding future crops.
7. Be prepared to manually remove any areas of undesirable plants where the matter was not thick enough to prevent germination. Be prepared to throw down some fast germination seed in these thin spots to fill in and reduce manual labor. I like wheat and or millet or turnips.

Crimping was created as a part of an intense soil building process and can be a valuable part of your crops but what you save in chemicals will be consumed in the first couple of years in increased seed costs, cost of the crimper. After that the savings will begin to be evident but the soil improvements will be the most valuable gain you get from crimping.

A note on pigweed and it's family of devil plants. It has many strengths but camouflage is one of its strongest. Many people never realize they have a problem until it shoots up a seed head! It remains unseen at a glance till then. You must walk in your fields to know your weaknesses.
Great info
 
I'm shocked the deer ate the Sunn Hemp. I couldn't find a single sign of browsing. But then I have a very low summer deer density and a ton of natural forage (weed growth in timber cut areas) for them to eat.
 
I'm shocked the deer ate the Sunn Hemp. I couldn't find a single sign of browsing. But then I have a very low summer deer density and a ton of natural forage (weed growth in timber cut areas) for them to eat.
It's usually a slow browse till later and they never eat it all but this location did it in. High deer density, very low palatable food available as this came up and after the initial planting only 1/2 inch of rain in 7 weeks. The sun hemp was just substantive in a bad set of circumstances
 
I'm shocked the deer ate the Sunn Hemp. I couldn't find a single sign of browsing. But then I have a very low summer deer density and a ton of natural forage (weed growth in timber cut areas) for them to eat.
BSK, I'm actually not surprised by those deer eating the Sunn Hemp. I planted it for the first time on our Grundy Co. farm about 3 years ago, and the deer used it heavily during the summer. But, as with all new plants introduced on a farm, deer preference can vary.

I have a good friend that won't plant turnips on his farm because he sees very little deer use, but almost all of my fall annual plots will include turnips on my farms!
 
Great info, Popcorn!

Am I thinking correctly that what you call a "crimper" is what I call a "drill"?
What Andy said. A roller crimper is basically a bigger, beefier cultipacker with big blades on it spaced about 8" apart and rolls over plants and breaks their circulatory system every 8" or so, killing it. Leaves everything laying on the ground like a straw mat. This is done before or after drilling into the soil, typically after.

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Looks like I was having a "senior" moment . . . . . . ;)
Thanks for setting me straight.
A roller crimper is basically a bigger, beefier cultipacker with big blades on it spaced about 8" apart and rolls over plants and breaks their circulatory system every 8" or so, killing it. Leaves everything laying on the ground like a straw mat. This is done before or after drilling into the soil, typically after.
 
In the Deep South I've seen REALLY big versions of those used to knock down and restart natural regeneration. They are called roller choppers and are usually pulled by a bulldozer. But I think Dr. Woods made the crimpers very popular on his Missouri property.
 
Few questions @Popcorn :

How are your Green Cover Seed plots looking?
Do you use crimper at all?

Obviously when there's no rain, there is little hope. As poor as yours look, know they look much better than mine 😂. We've been tossing the idea back and forth on getting a Goliath crimper. I've been in contact with a dealer in Dickson. I think it is time to just take the plunge. If I look at herbicide costs for next spring, I'm looking at about $800. I'd rather that money go towards an investment (crimper) rather than a one time fix.

Only question I have, is how well does a crimper do on pigweed, spring growth on brassicas, other weeds? I can't find anything that shows results on that….just on cereal rye, nothing else.
JC There is a company in Savannah called Custom Cultipackers. They have a webpage. They make one that is 3 point and/or skid steer attached. They indicated they would deliver to Dickson area for free!! I like dealing with semi local folks. I've been thinking about that one but this drought has me kinda down.
 
JC There is a company in Savannah called Custom Cultipackers. They have a webpage. They make one that is 3 point and/or skid steer attached. They indicated they would deliver to Dickson area for free!! I like dealing with semi local folks. I've been thinking about that one but this drought has me kinda down.
Thank you! Hard to find manufacturers and until now, only knew of two. Now three AND their local. That's great! I'll give them a call.
 
I'd love to have a crimper and a no-till drill....Custom Cultipacker in Savannah has some nice attachments on their website....very nice!

One thing that is intriguing to me is the idea of a crimping and drilling in one pass with having the crimper mounted on front end loader..... "little" down force on the crimper would be nice too....I'd think crimper would need to be same width as drill.

But if the plot was smaller, curved or abnormal in shape I can see where crimping up front would be challenging.

On long straight runs in a big plot it sure would be an efficient way to plant.

Ok....back to reality....having a drill and crimper would be nice.
 
On long straight runs in a big plot it sure would be an efficient way to plant.
And that essentially what ours are - ridge top plots. All around 250-350 yards long and 60-70 yards wide.

I tried calling the place in Savannah 3 times today with no answer. Will try again on Monday.
 
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And that essentially what ours are - ridge top plots. All around 250-350 yards long and 60-70 yards wide.

I tried calling the place in Savannah 3 times today with no answer. Will try again on Monday.
I like talking to folks in person or on the phone. I can't get all my thoughts relayed in an email or text. Remember that this is a small company. Send them a short email to call you as I did. They called me back the same day. They sent me all the info and quoted prices the next day.
 
Feeling your pain. Planted my sunflowers & corn 4 times this season. 1st the heat/drought. Then with the limited natural forage 4 wildlife they tore them up! I got almost nothing but dirt. (Maybe got a little excited early & planted 1st time 2 early. Frost got them 3 times)

On the +, side learning somethings 4 the next time it's hot &, dry. Millet, buckwheat, &sogrum like this weather. Also excited to try safflower and hemp next time we get this kinda weather
 
And that essentially what ours are - ridge top plots. All around 250-350 yards long and 60-70 yards wide.

I tried calling the place in Savannah 3 times today with no answer. Will try again on Monday.
I need a bearing for my cultipacker and was going to stop by their shop next time in Savannah. Be glad to check on whatever you need. May be a week or two though.
 

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