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Ok heres the situation. I allocate myself a certain amount to spend on habitat type stuff on my property ever year so I dont go crazy with spending. I am wanting more dozer work done and basically have two options that I am choosing from, both are estimated to cost the same amount.

option A- a 1.5 acre bench that is 30 yards above a 0.75 acre existing food plot. It will be rocky but even my rocky spots grow some fairly nice plots. With this option no new roads will be cleared because an existing road borders the area. Less than 15 marketable maples would be cleared out. I would be able to plant approxiamtely 80 wildlife trees in this long and narrow field.

option B- a 0.6 acre flat that was an old field 50 years ago but has been abandoned and has grown into a pine thicket. It is nearly rock free from where the old timers took the rocks off. No marketable trees. Along with this option will come 3/4 of a mile of old road beds full of trees that will be turned back into access roads. These roads would open up easy access to my creek, old homeplaces, big spring, and cave. I would only be able to plant approxiamately 10 persimmon and maybe 3 apple trees around and in this field. There are 5 existing persimmon already around the edges.

I was leaning toward the 1.5 acre field because it would probably produce more tonnage of food and allow for more wildlife trees to be planted.

My Dad says to go with the 0.6 acre field because its rock free and would open up so many areas to easy access with the road clearing.

Wish I could do both but I am sticking to my budget, whichever one I dont clear will be a project for the next years also so it will eventually get cleared regardless. I really need help making up my mind since it is getting close to the time my dozer man can make it in. Any other questions I missed about deciding factors, just ask. Thanks for the help.
 
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Football Hunter said:
still might be cheaper to do both at once so he doesnt have to bring his dozer there twice

that is a thought. My dozer guy charges an hour set up charge. Plus if I go over all the work I need and give him my budget more times than not he gets more work done.
 
Steven, what does he charge an hour? Not trying to be nosey. Mine charges 80-90 an hour depending on what machine he brings. He does VERY good work.
 
If your going to just do one of the spots. I would go with option 2. Everybody needs work right now, you might throw a number at him to do both of em. Instead of letting him do it by the hour. He may not pass it up.
 
He was charging 100 bucks an hour for a D6. No set up fee or anything like that, he just lives like 2 miles away so it is convenient. Ive been looking online though and seeing lower per hour rates and it really makes me want to shop around because I could get alot more done for the same total price as long as they have the same work ethic as the guy Ive used before. He has done a great job and got a whole lot accomplished in the time frame but it would sure be nice to get that same work ethic at a cheaper price so I can get more total work done. You have to think that for example if I wanted to spend 1000 bucks, thats 10 hours at 100 per. At 80 per thats 12.5 hours. So 2.5 more hours of work just for a difference of 20 per hour. I suppose I just need to get guys to come down and give me a price for the job and see who is best. Ill have to let them know Ill be there too when they do it since I wont know if I can trust a new guy or not.
 
I would go with option A. Mainly due to allowing the time for the trees to grow and start bearing fruits. Option B i would leave for now because that pine thicket may be providing some cover while your in your regrowth stage from your log.
Sure both would be nice,.. but like you, i had to do things alittle at a time due to money also. Its hard to say for sure that would be the best thing to do because i have never seen the property,. but from your description that is probably how i would approach it.
 
Steven, The way I have done it with my guy is show him the work and ask how long he thinks it will take him. Then I will show him what else I need done in case he finishes early. Also ask if I add more work if he can keep it under a certain price. I have had very good luck and GREAT work from him. I no longer worry about the work that he is doing. I have hired him for 27-29 hours and he is getting ready to put a septic tank in for me and do a few more minor jobs.

He also asked if him and his son could cut some of the tops up for fire wood. I told him he could have whatever he wanted. He was very grateful and last time he was done doing some work he had as much pride in my place as I did. He has done a lot of work as well. That is the kind of dozer guy I like. Good luck and get your butt out here and take a look. May even be able to talk Radar in taking us fishing. ;)
 
Steven,

Why don't you just sign up for the WHIP program with NRCS, and then you won't have to worry about your budget. You can clear all of the acres at one time. WHIP pays 75% cost share for "wildlife openings." You're not guaranteed to receive funding, but we are taking applications right now.

Just a thought...
 
Quailman said:
Steven,

Why don't you just sign up for the WHIP program with NRCS, and then you won't have to worry about your budget. You can clear all of the acres at one time. WHIP pays 75% cost share for "wildlife openings." You're not guaranteed to receive funding, but we are taking applications right now.

Just a thought...

Quailman, it is my understanding that those openings must be planted in perennials under the WHIP.
 
Steven, that is basically true. Our wildlife openings can be planted to perennial clover mixtures (upland/bottomland mixtures), reseeding species (i.e. reseeding soybeans, annual partidge pea, etc.), native grasses, or shrubs. We do allow natural regeneration, and it can be seeded to an annual for temporary cover.

RMBBQ, just contact your local NRCS office in your county, and they can sign you up for the program. You can also go on our website as well to look at information about programs such as WHIP:

www.tn.nrcs.usda.gov
 
Quailman, after reading your first post I decided to go and talk to the office here in Cookeville, even though they arent in my county I figured they could answer all my questions. The lady was extremely helpful and WOW the WHIP program is very flexible! I was afraid of restrictions and being told things had to be a certain way in certain places, but wow they are very flexible to the landowner. I was so convinced that am applying in Jamestown when I get back home Friday.

On another note, in regards to your perennial comment. With what I am now reading on the NRCS website it seems to say you can get cost share for "permanent wildlife openings" to be planted in annuals! Under WHIP 6
 
Im with chaney on this one.....no brainer.


chaneylake said:
I would go with the old field spot, no rocks and being an old field the soil might be more fertile, it had to be a field for some reason 50 years ago
 
richmanbarbeque said:
What did you decide?
I have applied for the WHIP program, now its just a wait and see if I get it. If I get it then I will do both and some other clearings with just trees in them. If I dont then I will do the old field site as priority and open up edges of straight east-west running roads that go into that old field site for planting a whole bunch of persimmons down.
 
is this WHIP program anything like the soil conservation district paying for things such as building a pond and fenceing off creek beds to prevent soil errosion in rivers? i'm still kinda new to this kinda stuff so be gentle hehe. anyways Steven when we had a pond built a few years ago the guy we had charged 75 bucks an hour and he was very good if you like i can let you know who it was. just trying to help
 
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