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I took a friend kayak fishing to the ghost river section of the wolf river yesterday and was strange to say the least. I caught a couple that surprised me a bit, first was a smallmouth about 2 lbs.and I believe he had some spots on him, and the wildest one was something I'm still not sure what it was but I believe it was a bowfin, it had the colors and head of one I found online but the tail was different, instead of a rounded tail it was pointed on the top and bottom like a bass. I have been kicking myself for not takin a pic but I usually try and get them back in the water before they get to messed up. The best part was both of them were caught on a buzz bait and the bowfin or whatever fish was about 18 inches and faught like a tiger, I caught a few more but they got off before I could get them in the boat. Does anyone know if the bowfin could have this kind of tail?

The head and body looked like the bowfin looked like the one here but the tail was different. He also had teeth around the mouth and on the inside in a staight line with two sets next to each other, he really did look mean as heck.

http://www.hooked-in.com/catches/show/8897
 
I dont believe it was a snakehead by the pics in the link, the one I caught had a nose like the bowfin, rounded. CBU93, I was pretty surprised about the smallmouth also and I am pretty sure it was spotted but you never know what you will see in this place, especially the places that I can get to with the yak. It is by far my favorite place to go in the kayak but I am so sore I couldnt do anything all day, man I feel old.
 
If you catch another one, keep it and find out what it is. If it is a bowfin, it needs to be killed. If not, it needs to be killed.
 
bowriter said:
If you catch another one, keep it and find out what it is. If it is a bowfin, it needs to be killed. If not, it needs to be killed.

Why would it need to be killed if it is a bowfin, they are great fighters, and that's the first smallmouth I've ever heard of out of the wolf river
 
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Snake head is an invasive imported species which is worse than the flying carp for sure...snakeheads are predatory I think I read and have caused some real problems up around Chesapeake Bay or N Carolina (can't remember where)....

Still shocked at Th smallmouth...but with recent floods and weather patterns maybe I shouldn't be. If it was, that is cool!
 
easy45 said:
bowriter said:
If you catch another one, keep it and find out what it is. If it is a bowfin, it needs to be killed. If not, it needs to be killed.

Why would it need to be killed if it is a bowfin, they are great fighters, and that's the first smallmouth I've ever heard of out of the wolf river

Beacause if it is alive, it would be hard to take it to be identified. That is the reason either one should be killed unless you just want to let it die a slow death. Actually, to me, it makes no difference. Hoever, If I owned some water, I would not want either one in it and would do all I could to eradicate them.
 
bowriter said:
easy45 said:
bowriter said:
If you catch another one, keep it and find out what it is. If it is a bowfin, it needs to be killed. If not, it needs to be killed.

Why would it need to be killed if it is a bowfin, they are great fighters, and that's the first smallmouth I've ever heard of out of the wolf river

Beacause if it is alive, it would be hard to take it to be identified. That is the reason either one should be killed unless you just want to let it die a slow death. Actually, to me, it makes no difference. Hoever, If I owned some water, I would not want either one in it and would do all I could to eradicate them.

I wouldn't want a bowfin in water I owned but the y are very fun to catch, they have added excitement to some boring days on the water
 
HatchieLuvr said:
Smallies DO exist in the upper half of the MS River (and therefore potentially any of it's tributaries) but I'd have to see it to believe it first, ESPECIALLY in Ghost/Wolf area. Spots/Kentuckies don't always have their typical, well defined horizontal line and many times (especially when in muddy backwaters like the Wolf, Hatchie etc...) they can attain the coloration similar to a smallie. The largemouth/KY mixes are also common. MANY of the bass in the oxbows on my Hatchie farm look just like largemouth but have a tongue patch.

As for the bowfin, I hate those NASTY things. Yeah they fight like the dickens but they are serious predators and sure can tear up baits when they latch on. (Yes they have alot of sharp teeth) My lakes have quite a few of them as well, and for some reason we've been catching more of them this year than any before. But they are NEVER released alive! ;) I carry a "fish bat" in my boat at all times for just such encounters with trashfish (bowfin, gar, drum etc...) An Easton aluminum takes the fight right out of them. :grin: (Let em sink, catfish and crawfish gotta eat to!)

Take some pics, surely you had your cellphone with ya?
HL

The only pics online I could find were of the hybrid that you you mentioned, it was a regular green color but its mouth didnt go past the eye socket or smaller than usual. I will get a pic next time for sure, I have seen people kill some nice ones just to prove how big of one they caught and it pisses me off. I kind of wondered if the hunting & fishing clubs around the upper wolf might be experimenting but I cant find any data online.
 
Used to love fishing that part of the wolf. Caught a sauger one day on a spinnerbait about 200 yards up from the Moscow bridge on 57.
 
Cache said:
Used to love fishing that part of the wolf. Caught a sauger one day on a spinnerbait about 200 yards up from the Moscow bridge on 57.

Thats it, it had the spiked top fin with kinda golden brownish sides with patchy dark spots and that tail exactly. Everytime I go in that place something bigger than a few feet long will swirl next to me and scare the piss out of me it never fails, there are some big fish in there.

http://www.allfishingbuy.com/Fish-Species/Sauger.htm

Description
Sauger are long and thin, with dark backs, brassy sides, dark spots, and a pale belly. They have a forked tail with a pale streak on the bottom edge. Some sauger have a black spot on their body near where pectoral fin attaches. Sauger are usually less than 3 pounds and 18 inches in length. Gray or brown on their backs, sauger have an orangy metallic sheen on their sides, light undersides, and black spots. Saddle-like markings on body, black dots on the dorsal (back) fin, large glossy eyes, and sharp teeth.
The sauger is a large species of the family Percidae prized for its sport fishing character and its flavor. Cylindirical in body form, the sauger has a large horizontal mouth and well-developed pointed teeth. The back and top of the head are mottled brown to golden olive, the lips are less mottled and appear distinctly speckled, and the lower sides and venter are white or light cream. Four dark saddles traverse the back and may be expanded along the sides to produce large lateral blotches, while the back and sides are variously speckled with pigment. The lining in the eye behind the retina appears silver, a trait characteristic of the genus and presumably an adaptation for night feeding. Membranes of the spiny dorsal fin have distinct spots that sometimes appear to be banding, while the soft dorsal fin and caudal fin rays are definitely pigmented, producing delicate banding. The sauger can be distinguished from the walleye, Stizostedion vitreum, by its fewer (17 to 20) soft dorsal rays (19 to 22 for the walleye), by lacking a pigment concentration at the spiny dorsal fin base, and by having the lower lobe of the caudal fin mottled, compared to a white tip for the walleye.
Adult saugers feed primarily on fish, crayfish, and other crustaceans and insects. The habitat of sauger is much like that of walleye, except that saugers are more tolerant of high turbidity (muddy water) and strong current. Saugers spawn when water temperature is between 41 and 45 F. Adults enter backwaters or tributaries and search for gravel or rock substrate where they can deposit their eggs. Saugers are an important sportfish on the Missouri River. The flesh tastes like walleye and thus is highly valued. Saugers grow more slowly than walleyes; most fish taken by anglers are less than 18 inches in length.
They may be distinguished from walleyes by the distinctly spotted dorsal fin, by the lack of a white splotch on the caudal fin, by the rough skin over their gill, and by their generally more brassy color, or darker (almost black) color in some regions. The average sauger in an angler's creel is up to 1 lbs (300 to 400 g) in weight but the world record was 17 lbs (8 kg) Saugers are more typical of rivers whereas walleyes are more common in lakes and reservoirs. The sauger is highly prized as a food fish.
 
Tnscooter63 said:
dont think so, why?
A classic ID characteristic of a Kentucky. One West Tennessee stream is full of Kentuckies, notably the Hatchie. No reason why they wouldn't be in the upper wolf, also. I am not saying that you didn't catch a smallmouth. However, in my MANY years of fishing West Tennessee waters, I have never caught nor heard of a brown bass being caught west of the Tennessee river drainage, with the exception of when Lake Graham was first impounded, they stocked a token number. I saw a color picture of one that came out of Graham in the bait shop/check station years ago, but have not heard of any being caught there since then. However,it is what it is, and if you say that you caught a smallmouth in the wolf, so be it.
 

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