Gerald Swindle
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lol 
now it means getting your old loud mouthed ass handed to you by a bunch of youngsters.
FLTENNHUNTER1
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Is he the jig skipper guy?
This is the "narrative" I'm seeing when watching these tournaments now and some of their interviews/social media posts. You can tell it's a new generation, and one that lacks respect, because of this "move over old men" mentality. I'm sorry but I find it comical and also kind of sad during the tournaments when Zona and that crew are breaking it down with a live scope specialist over on the side explaining it all to them.
The coverage is now boring and they are aging out due to technology. Lots of greats that I grew up watching will likely fade away unless they have a social media presence like G man here. Rant over lol
I agree. And i use forward facing sonar. But it sure makes competition fishing, which in its hey day was entertaining, painfully boring to watch. But then again, i cant understand the allure of tournament fishing anyway and hate the stress it puts on the lake - especially when 50 wannabe hank parkers coming blasting off from the same ramp all at once.
And if there is a more annoying person in the world than Zona, i havent found them yet
It just really leaves a bad taste in my mouth watching the FFS style of fishing, and it seems likely to be very detrimental to the fishery. To me it's no different than using a decoy to kill your turkeys…not illegal but seriously.
Never heard of her…..lol
age happens to all of us. we eventually decline along with our sight, nerve endings and reaction times. as good as van dam was in the 90's and 2000's his decline probably started around 2015 , before livescope and then the "young kids on the block" were winning then too.
i agree about respect with some of the younger guys and some in their 30's as well. there are bastards at all levels in life, i just green stripe em and move on.
ill raise you one. if i had to fish with this gal, she would probably get an oar to the back of the head.
double browtine
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I saw that on Instagram! Ole G Man will always be one of my favorites! He could just about make it as a stand up comedian. I got to talk to him at a Triton Owners Tournament at KY lake years ago. He is really an awesome guy! Electronics have really changed the professional fishing game.
Controversial long post coming.
Forward facing sonar is in the cross hairs of a lot of people today. It seems you are either for it or against it. No in between. Each side argues their points. I have Livescope and Active Target both on my boat. It has not made me a pro fishermen. In fact I think that whole argument point is dumb. I could buy a grill and smoker and put them on my patio but that don't instantly make me a pit master. Just because I have the equipment to be one, doesn't give me the knowledge or skill by just possessing it. Forward facing sonar is just like that to me...it requires its own set of know how. Trust me...seeing fish on a screen doesn't mean you will be able to catch them or even ID them.
Carp, gar, and drum are pretty defined. But the others...I have no idea some times what they are other than a school of fish that look like big bright orbs. Just cause you can see em, don't mean you can catch them. I learned that a long time ago coming from the trout streams of ultra clear water. I've wasted a lot of time casting to fish I could see that paid my bait no mind. It hasn't changed with Livescope. I still catch most of my fish by trolling...just covering lots of water and never seeing any fish on the Livescope forward screen. Where it HAS impacted my fishing to some degree is if I am wanting to fish lay downs, docks,.etc. Before, I may have a bank stretch with 20 lay downs. It would take some time to fish them all and see which one or ones held fish. Now I can just go by them and point the transducer towards each one and skip the ones that ain't got fish on them. But that still don't mean the ones that are on the trees, will bite.
I personally think the biggest overlooked technology in fishing that has made the biggest difference in how and where we fish...is sonar map cards. Prior to them, we had paper maps. Maps that were composed of pre dam/flooding data. 40-50+ year old data. A lot had moved and changed in those years. If you went to some bait shops, some times they would mark up a map for you for a few dollars...giving you community holes. Otherwise...a lot of fishermen back in the day, used the bottom bumping rig to find channel drops and that sort of stuff. Now...you have recently scanned and mapped sonar cards with community edit capabilities. They are highly accurate and with contour shading, etc, makes it SUPER easy to find those sweet spots on a lake. Or easy to follow ledges, creek channels, etc. No more blind wandering around. And EVERYBODY has access to the same cards and data.
Forward facing sonar is in the cross hairs of a lot of people today. It seems you are either for it or against it. No in between. Each side argues their points. I have Livescope and Active Target both on my boat. It has not made me a pro fishermen. In fact I think that whole argument point is dumb. I could buy a grill and smoker and put them on my patio but that don't instantly make me a pit master. Just because I have the equipment to be one, doesn't give me the knowledge or skill by just possessing it. Forward facing sonar is just like that to me...it requires its own set of know how. Trust me...seeing fish on a screen doesn't mean you will be able to catch them or even ID them.
Carp, gar, and drum are pretty defined. But the others...I have no idea some times what they are other than a school of fish that look like big bright orbs. Just cause you can see em, don't mean you can catch them. I learned that a long time ago coming from the trout streams of ultra clear water. I've wasted a lot of time casting to fish I could see that paid my bait no mind. It hasn't changed with Livescope. I still catch most of my fish by trolling...just covering lots of water and never seeing any fish on the Livescope forward screen. Where it HAS impacted my fishing to some degree is if I am wanting to fish lay downs, docks,.etc. Before, I may have a bank stretch with 20 lay downs. It would take some time to fish them all and see which one or ones held fish. Now I can just go by them and point the transducer towards each one and skip the ones that ain't got fish on them. But that still don't mean the ones that are on the trees, will bite. I personally think the biggest overlooked technology in fishing that has made the biggest difference in how and where we fish...is sonar map cards. Prior to them, we had paper maps. Maps that were composed of pre dam/flooding data. 40-50+ year old data. A lot had moved and changed in those years. If you went to some bait shops, some times they would mark up a map for you for a few dollars...giving you community holes. Otherwise...a lot of fishermen back in the day, used the bottom bumping rig to find channel drops and that sort of stuff. Now...you have recently scanned and mapped sonar cards with community edit capabilities. They are highly accurate and with contour shading, etc, makes it SUPER easy to find those sweet spots on a lake. Or easy to follow ledges, creek channels, etc. No more blind wandering around. And EVERYBODY has access to the same cards and data.
double browtine
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I think they should come out with a reality TV show with some of the best old and new top anglers and give them vintage lures, poles, reels and old alumacraft boats to fish out of. Give 'em 6 hours to catch a limit of bass! No electronics, and none foot controlled trolling motor. That would be entertaining to watch!
I agree with this but also it's sort of my gripe. These older guys are being pushed out by technology not because they don't still have the skills to fish competitively. Take away the scope and how many of the youngsters are hanging these big bags on someone like KVD?
Modern Technology has ruined about everything it has touched. I was hoping fishing and hunting wouldn't get drug into the mix but it's probably too late.
bowhunterfanatic
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. I actually like Miliken. Really surprised he's having a terrible showing at the Classic. Guess the fish are in mostly in a pattern that FFS can't help you catch.Setterman
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Same mentality that is destroying turkey hunting is now showing up big time in fishing and really everything else. People want the easy way out anymore, and don't want to have to work to be successful
Hymie3
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This^^^^. X 10
I'm not fool enough to believe a live scope puts them on the hook but have also been around long enough to know if it didn't give some sort of an advantage people wouldn't be so crazy about them(be it for or against them). The people I've talked with personally that have live scope fall into 2 categories:
The first would be skilled fishermen who don't need it but they have the money to play the game and like having all the gadgets.They could probably still catch plenty of fish without it. The second category is for people who don't have much luck catching crappie so this is their hope for a cure all. I've seen it help some a lot and some it didn't really make a difference other than it keeps them sitting in one spot beating a dead horse longer than normal. If it wasn't for seeing them on the screen theyd probably hoist up and move on lol.
I said it in another recent thread, If you believe cell phones/the internet have made people lazy or ruined the youth, then I don't see how you could think otherwise of LS. Just people sitting in their boats staring at screens. Sound familiar? I'm afraid in 10-20 years people will be talking about how good fishing used to be before live scope came along. I hope I'm wrong but it sure doesn't look good.
The first would be skilled fishermen who don't need it but they have the money to play the game and like having all the gadgets.They could probably still catch plenty of fish without it. The second category is for people who don't have much luck catching crappie so this is their hope for a cure all. I've seen it help some a lot and some it didn't really make a difference other than it keeps them sitting in one spot beating a dead horse longer than normal. If it wasn't for seeing them on the screen theyd probably hoist up and move on lol.
I said it in another recent thread, If you believe cell phones/the internet have made people lazy or ruined the youth, then I don't see how you could think otherwise of LS. Just people sitting in their boats staring at screens. Sound familiar? I'm afraid in 10-20 years people will be talking about how good fishing used to be before live scope came along. I hope I'm wrong but it sure doesn't look good.
I watched the Bassmaster Classic in Oklahoma this morning on TV. The kid that was winning it was TV fishing. He had 3 huge screens on his bow and was watching them more than he was the boat docks he was running into, the ropes he was casting across and getting hung on. They kept showing what he was seeing on the screens. You could see the fish following his lures.
BTW the median age for a successful Bassmaster Champion was in the 40's, five years ago, now it is in the late 20's. They are crediting the youth movement to high school and college angler teams as feeder programs.
Not at all against it, just making an observation. The sport has evolved to more of a video game than it used to be.
BTW the median age for a successful Bassmaster Champion was in the 40's, five years ago, now it is in the late 20's. They are crediting the youth movement to high school and college angler teams as feeder programs.
Not at all against it, just making an observation. The sport has evolved to more of a video game than it used to be.
