Florida, Tenn, Miami. Who is next?

[baddnole]

http://www.winknews.com/2016/02/16/ques ... rs-mother/

WHAT is going on with all the bad athletes. Joiner was a room mate of Aaron Hernandez and at one time Tim Tebow. Maybe will be with Hernandez again.

This article is from 2007 and shows Earl"Tony" Joiner to be the same
A senior on the University of Florida football team was arrested early Tuesday and charged with burglary according to Gainesville Police.
Earl A. "Tony" Joiner, 21, was arrested at 4:59 a.m. outside the fenced impound lot of Watson's Towing at 516 SW 1st St.
Senior defensive back Earl A. "Tony" Joiner, 21, was arrested at 4:59 a.m. outside the fenced impound lot of Watson's Towing at 516 SW 1st St.

Joiner, who is 6 feet tall and weighs 194 pounds, was accused of pushing a heavy electric gate open to enter the lot in an attempt to retrieve his girlfriend's car which was being held in lieu of a $76 towing bill, according to police reports.

According to Gainesville Police, witnesses said a man pushed open the gate at 4:30 a.m., got into a car, drove the car out of the lot and was trying to close the gate when he was confronted by one of two witnesses. The witness said the man drove the car back into the lot and waited for officers to arrive.

The officer who arrested Joiner, Robert Concannon, noted in the arrest report that Joiner was on a phone talking to someone when Concannon walked up to Joiner. Concannon said he heard Joiner talking into the phone and saying, "I am probably about to go to jail 'cuz I did push the gate open."

 

[gator-n-buck]

I figured that you would view this like you did Winston??? If he's not been arrested, it must of not happened. Of course there's a witness in the Winston case... :)

You forgot to cut and paste this part.. :tu:

"No one has been arrested in connection to Obando's death. Police are calling their investigation a death investigation and not releasing many details."

If Joiner did murder her then he needs to go to prison....

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

Despite what GNB says about the troubles in Knoxville, it is not the coaches fault in Knoxville or Gainsville. It is intercity thugs throwing away thier opportunities and talents that God has given them because they are thugs. Nothing to do with McElwain.

 

[mjac]

I figured that you would view this like you did Winston??? If he's not been arrested, it must of not happened. Of course there's a witness in the Winston case... :)

You forgot to cut and paste this part.. :tu:

"No one has been arrested in connection to Obando's death. Police are calling their investigation a death investigation and not releasing many details."

If Joiner did murder her then he needs to go to prison....

There is no Winston case.

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[gator-n-buck]

Despite what GNB says about the troubles in Knoxville, it is not the coaches fault in Knoxville or Gainsville. It is intercity thugs throwing away thier opportunities and talents that God has given them because they are thugs. Nothing to do with McElwain.

I hope you don't really believe that??? When it comes to current players of any programs, it falls on the HC. The HC is the one that recruited the kids and the HC sets the rules. I have no doubt when a kid gets in trouble at UF or UT that Foley or Hart is making a visit to the HCs office ASAP. I agree with you on the kids throwing it away but there's a reason coaches get paid millions of dollars..... :)

 

[smalljawbasser]

You really think it's the coaches fault, or just trolling?

 

[gator-n-buck]

You really think it's the coaches fault, or just trolling?

I'm not sure you guys get it??? A coach is like anybody that runs a business. They are evaluated on production and the employees behavior. If both are not good then in most cases the boss or HC will be fired. The coaches arent committing these acts or condone what the players are doing but in the end, the image of the program falls on the HC's shoulders. Its up to the coaches to do background checks on these kids before they recruit them. No different than hiring an employee. Coaches have been fired for losing control of their programs in the past... :)

Not saying that CBJ should be fired but in the end, it falls on his shoulders. If it didn't he wouldn't be the one kicking these players off the team... :)

 

[gator-n-buck]

I figured that you would view this like you did Winston??? If he's not been arrested, it must of not happened. Of course there's a witness in the Winston case... :)

You forgot to cut and paste this part.. :tu:

"No one has been arrested in connection to Obando's death. Police are calling their investigation a death investigation and not releasing many details."

If Joiner did murder her then he needs to go to prison....

There is no Winston case.

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"No charges were filed in the case. Winston was found not to have violated FSU's student code of conduct. The state attorney, Willie Meggs, told the press in December 2013 at the time he announced that he was not pressing charges, "We have a duty as prosecutors to determine if each case has a reasonable likelihood of conviction. After reviewing the facts in this case, we do not feel that we can reach those burdens." A big reason for not being able to reach those burdens stemmed from police failure to investigate the crime when it was initially reported."

 

[The Hill]

You really think it's the coaches fault, or just trolling?

Of course he really believes (hopes) Butch Jones should be fired. He only "trolls" when he is made to look silly and then you should expect a "some guys take this to serious"................ :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

I'm not sure you guys get it??? A coach is like anybody that runs a business. They are evaluated on production and the employees behavior. If both are not good in most cases the boss or HC would be fired. The coaches arent committing these acts or condone what the players are doing but in the end, the image of the program falls on the HC's shoulders. Its up to the coaches to do background checks on these kids before they recruit them. No different than hiring an employee. Coaches have been fired for losing control of their programs... :)

Some get it. A boss is not fired if an employee gets in trouble with the law. A boss is fired if he condones or does not appropriately handle employee after he has gotten in trouble. So far it appears that Butch Jones has adequately addressed all of the occurrences. Some people would love for Butch Jones to get fired and let that cloud their thinking. Some people take this to serious.........until they decide they are just trolling. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Is It written somewhere in a NLOI that once the player signs, the head coach is their legal gaurdian? If players cant act like responsible adults, then that is not on the head coach, that is a direct result of their parenting or lack there of growing up. Butch Jones is not their daddy. He can not possibly police the entire team 24 hours a day. If they cannot keep themselves out of trouble when he isnt around that is not his fault, or any head coach for that matter.


If you havent been taught how to act in public or how to treat women, that does not fall on the coach and unless you have a record of such before being recruited a coach has no way of knowing this for certain. If you do have a record showing things like this, you probably wont be getting many calls.

 

[THEdonkey0515]

I remember a certain gator fan saying something like, How is it the coaches fault they can't keep eyes on or be with these Kids at all times. Or something along them lines, when a gator got caught smoking weed or failed a drilug test can't remember.

I also remember a few other gator fans agreeing with the statement.

So is that statement only true with drug use? Or only true when it's a gator is in trouble?

 

[baddnole]

I remember a certain gator fan saying something like, How is it the coaches fault they can't keep eyes on or be with these Kids at all times. Or something along them lines, when a gator got caught smoking weed or failed a drilug test can't remember.

I also remember a few other gator fans agreeing with the statement.

So is that statement only true with drug use? Or only true when it's a gator is in trouble?

You won't get a straight answer to that question :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

 

[gator-n-buck]

I remember a certain gator fan saying something like, How is it the coaches fault they can't keep eyes on or be with these Kids at all times. Or something along them lines, when a gator got caught smoking weed or failed a drilug test can't remember.

I also remember a few other gator fans agreeing with the statement.

So is that statement only true with drug use? Or only true when it's a gator is in trouble?

You won't get a straight answer to that question :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

You might want to pull that up and make sure you are talking about the right Gator fan... :)

 

[The Hill]

I remember a certain gator fan saying something like, How is it the coaches fault they can't keep eyes on or be with these Kids at all times. Or something along them lines, when a gator got caught smoking weed or failed a drilug test can't remember.

I also remember a few other gator fans agreeing with the statement.

So is that statement only true with drug use? Or only true when it's a gator is in trouble?

You won't get a straight answer to that question :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

You might want to pull that up and make sure you are talking about the right Gator fan... :)

I did it for you donkey.........

All joking aside, coaches can't watch these players 24/7. .

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[gator-n-buck]

I remember a certain gator fan saying something like, How is it the coaches fault they can't keep eyes on or be with these Kids at all times. Or something along them lines, when a gator got caught smoking weed or failed a drilug test can't remember.

I also remember a few other gator fans agreeing with the statement.

So is that statement only true with drug use? Or only true when it's a gator is in trouble?

You won't get a straight answer to that question :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

You might want to pull that up and make sure you are talking about the right Gator fan... :)

I did it for you baddnole.........

All joking aside, coaches can't watch these players 24/7. .

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viewtopic.php?f=15&t=310692&p=4021225&hilit=chris+thompson#p4021225[/quote]

That's a very true statement but it still falls on the coaches shoulders. Not able to watch somebody actions 24/7, doesn't mean their actions doesn't fall on the coaches or the programs. Who's shoulders does it fall on when players are arrested if it's not the coaches??? Of course my statement never stated that the burden doesn't fall on the HC... :)

Here is my entire statement... joking aside, coaches can't watch these players 24/7. Also in a lot of cases listed above, the players were misdemeanor cited and never took to jail. Some of the charges above are driving on suspended license.

 

[THEdonkey0515]

Gator fans have used the excuse can't be watched 24/7 more then just that one time on TNdeer....... just saying :tu:

Who's shoulder does it fall you ask??? Hummmmm I would say, the what 19 year old JR college student who commented the crime, but that's just me. Not the guy who has been his coach for a whole what? 3 weeks?

 

[TeamMainStreet]

It falls on the players shoulders. They are old enough to have made the decision to enroll in COLLEGE, they should dang well be old enough to make the right decision when it comes to doing something against the law.


At what age do people need to start being held accountable for their own actions instead of blaming someone else, like the head coach?

 

[gator-n-buck]

Gator fans have used the excuse can't be watched 24/7 more then just that one time on TNdeer....... just saying :tu:

Who's shoulder does it fall you ask??? Hummmmm I would say, the what 19 year old JR college student who commented the crime, but that's just me. Not the guy who has been his coach for a whole what? 3 weeks?

You are getting your facts confused... Watching somebody 24/7 and being responsible for them are two different things. Parents know that feeling.... :)

Whats the magic thing all coaches tell the parents while recruiting their child?? "I'm going to take care of Lil Johnny". :)

 

[The Hill]

Gator fans have used the excuse can't be watched 24/7 more then just that one time on TNdeer....... just saying :tu:

Who's shoulder does it fall you ask??? Hummmmm I would say, the what 19 year old JR college student who commented the crime, but that's just me. Not the guy who has been his coach for a whole what? 3 weeks?

You are getting your facts confused... Watching somebody 24/7 and being responsible for them are two different things. Parents know that felling.... :)

Whats the magic thing all coaches tell the parents while recruiting their child?? "I'm going to take care of Lil Johnny". :)

Now is when you talk about how you are trolling gnb................. :tu:

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Lil Johnny also needs to make some effort at being a grown up and try to take care of himself also.

 

[Mudbone]

Dude needs dalvin cooks lawyer.

 

[THEdonkey0515]

I didn't get my Facts confused at all.

I've seen statements on TNdeer from gator Fans that say, they was nothing Coach X could have done? He can't watch them 24/7. That is all I was saying

I understand they tell mommy & daddy we will take care of your boy, this dude was a JR when he got to Tennessee Not a 16 year old being recruited outta highschool. i understand coaches are Reasonable for taking CARE of them, But the player needs to do his part also when it comes to staying outta trouble Especially upperclassmen.

TeamMainStreet is right when you Reach a certain age it falls on YOUR shoulders not moms,dads or the coaches anymore.

 

[TreyB]

It falls on the players shoulders. They are old enough to have made the decision to enroll in COLLEGE, they should dang well be old enough to make the right decision when it comes to doing something against the law.


At what age do people need to start being held accountable for their own actions instead of blaming someone else, like the head coach?

I agree with you on this.... I think it falls more on the coaches shoulders on how he handles it.

 

[gator-n-buck]

Lil Johnny also needs to make some effort at being a grown up and try to take care of himself also.

We agree but who is responsible for lil Johny while playing football and makes the decision when he's kicked off the team. I believe that falls on the coaches shoulders. No getting around it... :)

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Butch Jones makes that call and has made that call in every single case so far.


It is the players responsibility to control their person at all times as to not put themselves in these situations to start with. They are their own responsibility and nobody elses. After they fail to behave like adults, then it is Butches responsibility to deal with them as far as any football team related capacity. All have been suspended indefinately from the team and that is about as far as Butch can go with it being hes only the football coach and not the AD or university president.

 

[mjac]

I figured that you would view this like you did Winston??? If he's not been arrested, it must of not happened. Of course there's a witness in the Winston case... :)

You forgot to cut and paste this part.. :tu:

"No one has been arrested in connection to Obando's death. Police are calling their investigation a death investigation and not releasing many details."

If Joiner did murder her then he needs to go to prison....

There is no Winston case.

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https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/t ... nformation

"No charges were filed in the case. Winston was found not to have violated FSU's student code of conduct. The state attorney, Willie Meggs, told the press in December 2013 at the time he announced that he was not pressing charges, "We have a duty as prosecutors to determine if each c ase has a reasonable likelihood of conviction. After reviewing the facts in this case, we do not feel that we can reach those burdens." A big reason for not being able to reach those burdens stemmed from police failure to investigate the crime when it was initially reported."

If you really want get the facts, Google Willie Meggs, the Florida States attorney. You will learn that in the end Mr Meggs says there wasn't evidence to bring a case against Winston. Also Mr Meggs, in concert with the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, found that there was no errors in the way the Tallahassse police Dept.handled the case.
Furthermore I would suggest that rather than parrot some hack sports writer's old column for your facts and educate yourself to the real facts. Its been long enough and the real story is out there, but like most, you are not interested. Or not, and remain among those Gators, who typically when taking about FSU related issues, are all mouth and no ears. Most feel the need to shout.

 

[gator-n-buck]

I figured that you would view this like you did Winston??? If he's not been arrested, it must of not happened. Of course there's a witness in the Winston case... :)

You forgot to cut and paste this part.. :tu:

"No one has been arrested in connection to Obando's death. Police are calling their investigation a death investigation and not releasing many details."

If Joiner did murder her then he needs to go to prison....

There is no Winston case.

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https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/t ... nformation

"No charges were filed in the case. Winston was found not to have violated FSU's student code of conduct. The state attorney, Willie Meggs, told the press in December 2013 at the time he announced that he was not pressing charges, "We have a duty as prosecutors to determine if each c ase has a reasonable likelihood of conviction. After reviewing the facts in this case, we do not feel that we can reach those burdens." A big reason for not being able to reach those burdens stemmed from police failure to investigate the crime when it was initially reported."

If you really want get the facts, Google Willie Meggs, the Florida States attorney. You will learn that in the end Mr Meggs says there wasn't evidence to bring a case against Winston. Also Mr Meggs, in concert with the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, found that there was no errors in the way the Tallahassse police Dept.handled the case.
Furthermore I would suggest that rather than parrot some hack sports writer's old column for your facts and educate yourself to the real facts. Its been long enough and the real story is out there, but like most, you are not interested. Or not, and remain among those Gators, who typically when taking about FSU related issues, are all mouth and no ears. Most feel the need to shout.[/quote]


Wait a minute the police handled a case??? So there is a case/case file on this investigation???? It's doesn't matter if the DA's office refused to prosecute. The police still worked a case and has the case on file.... Let's look up the definition case....

A situation requiring investigation or action (as by the police) (2) : the object of investigation or consideration.

We could always do a Bill Clinton and define the word "is".... :rotf: We wouldn't even get into that Winston has a civil "CASE" pending against him... :tu:

 

[mtn cur]

 

[gator-n-buck]

Butch Jones makes that call and has made that call in every single case so far.


It is the players responsibility to control their person at all times as to not put themselves in these situations to start with. They are their own responsibility and nobody elses. After they fail to behave like adults, then it is Butches responsibility to deal with them as far as any football team related capacity. All have been suspended indefinately from the team and that is about as far as Butch can go with it being hes only the football coach and not the AD or university president.

Your last paragraph basically agrees with what I have been saying..... When players get in trouble it falls on the HC shoulders "period". No one is arguing that players need to learn how to behave but at the end of the day the HC is responsible for the team.... :tu:

I hate to use Ole Jimbo but he spells it out...." FSU football coach says he takes responsibility for players conduct issues."

"Head coach Jimbo Fisher said the blame stops with him as the primary beacon of the program."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sid ... uct-issues

 

[smalljawbasser]

You really think it's the coaches fault, or just trolling?

I'm not sure you guys get it??? A coach is like anybody that runs a business. They are evaluated on production and the employees behavior. If both are not good then in most cases the boss or HC will be fired. The coaches arent committing these acts or condone what the players are doing but in the end, the image of the program falls on the HC's shoulders. Its up to the coaches to do background checks on these kids before they recruit them. No different than hiring an employee. Coaches have been fired for losing control of their programs in the past... :)

Not saying that CBJ should be fired but in the end, it falls on his shoulders. If it didn't he wouldn't be the one kicking these players off the team... :)

background checks? really? what, they gonna call the NSA and get a phone tap? ask his momma igf he's a good boy, and likes puppies and old people?

"naw, we're gonna pass on that 4* defensive tackle, the psychiatric study we commissioned says he might choke somebody. and we all know we're trying to foster an environment that is conducive to rape, not choking." GMAB.

of course it "falls" on the head coach to kick them off the team when they screw up. but you insinuate it's the head coaches FAULT that something happened in the first place. dude was kicked off the team while he was still sitting in the pokey. if a 20 year old doesn't know any better than to choke another person i fail to see how a coach is somehow either at fault or responsible for anything past kicking them off the team.

and in parting, I love when one guy argues with 20 other ones, and tries to make it out like they are the ones that "don't get it".