Farm Payment Cuts

[landman]

I you caught the President the other day with his NEW Plan about taxes, Job, and BS, well I didn't waste the time, but

It appears he wants to cut out most of the FARM Service payments
going out to people, many this has being pushed for years since famous and well to do people are receiving them. Even though day are one that have had to pay for the land that they own to qualify to get them. This could greatly effect WHIP, CRP, WRP and many other programs that many on here have received at times.

Why Did Ya'll elect him????

 

[BSK]

As much as I understand the reasoning for farm subsidies, honestly, their days are numbered.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

I would have made the cuts too.

 

[Tree Tramp]

Yep me too

 

[Pic IN the Casa]

As much as I understand the reasoning for farm subsidies, honestly, their days are numbered.

Agreed. The country is taking on water faster than we can bucket it out. Some things have to be cut, even if it hurts.

 

[Quailman]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

 

[Hawk]

I you caught the President the other day with his NEW Plan about taxes, Job, and BS, well I didn't waste the time, but

It appears he wants to cut out most of the FARM Service payments
going out to people, many this has being pushed for years since famous and well to do people are receiving them. Even though day are one that have had to pay for the land that they own to qualify to get them. This could greatly effect WHIP, CRP, WRP and many other programs that many on here have received at times.

Why Did Ya'll elect him????

Direct payments for sure and it is just not him alone.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63988.html

 

[DntBrnDPig]

I talked to a farmer in Indiana who said that he's made more money in the last 5 years than he has ever made in his life. He's paid for all his seed, fertilizer, weed killer, and gas/tractor upkeep 2 years in advance.

From his account, all the farmers he knows are in the same boat.


I'd say the farmers are doing pretty good at this point

 

[megalomaniac]

As much as I understand the reasoning for farm subsidies, honestly, their days are numbered.

Agreed. We've subsidised the cost of food in America and the rest of the world for far too long.

Time to let the free market determine actual prices of grains, cattle, timber.

Of course, noone will raise corn, beans, or cattle, and the cost will go up until it becomes profitable once again. I'd guess we'd be looking at $10-$15/ gallon of milk, $8 for a loaf of bread, and ground beef would be $10/lb.

At least Americans can afford to pay for the increase in staple prices. The folks in Africa will be in some big kind of trouble, though.

 

[Baxter83]

As much as I understand the reasoning for farm subsidies, honestly, their days are numbered.

Agreed. We've subsidised the cost of food in America and the rest of the world for far too long.

Time to let the free market determine actual prices of grains, cattle, timber.

Of course, noone will raise corn, beans, or cattle, and the cost will go up until it becomes profitable once again. I'd guess we'd be looking at $10-$15/ gallon of milk, $8 for a loaf of bread, and ground beef would be $10/lb.

At least Americans can afford to pay for the increase in staple prices. The folks in Africa will be in some big kind of trouble, though.

You'd see a lot of folks fencing in their back-yards raising livestock...

 

[BSK]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

 

[Football Hunter]

I DID NOT vote for him.

 

[Quailman]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

Yes, let's eliminate the CRP program and watch 35+ million acres of wildlife cover disappear and go back into crop production across the U.S. We can sit and watch as waterfowl populations plummet because their nesting grounds have been destroyed in the prairie pothole region. Good bye upland bird populations in Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, and the S.E. states. Folks in Kansas and Iowa will wonder "what happened to all the deer."

We should also remove the Wetlands Reserve Program. We might as well not protect any more wetlands in the U.S., and go ahead and destroy the last 10% that are remaining. There would be no incentive not to?

There are always consequences for painting with a broad brush. A little actual knowledge of Farm Bill Programs and their benefits might make people look at things a little differently. I'm not talking about farm subsidies, I'm talking about conservation programs.

 

[Baxter83]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

Yes, let's eliminate the CRP program and watch 35+ million acres of wildlife cover disappear and go back into crop production across the U.S. We can sit and watch as waterfowl populations plummet because their nesting grounds have been destroyed in the prairie pothole region. Good bye upland bird populations in Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, and the S.E. states. Folks in Kansas and Iowa will wonder "what happened to all the deer."

We should also remove the Wetlands Reserve Program. We might as well not protect any more wetlands in the U.S., and go ahead and destroy the last 10% that are remaining. There would be no incentive not to?

There are always consequences for painting with a broad brush. A little actual knowledge of Farm Bill Programs and their benefits might make people look at things a little differently. I'm not talking about farm subsidies, I'm talking about conservation programs.

Ya know, I'm all about free market and wouldn't have it any other way, but you make a good point. If not for a lot of the conservation programs the "free market" (in the way of development) would turn most of the protected lands into subdivisions and other developments. Not that development isn't economically a good thing it's also ruining a lot of natural habitat at a record pace. I'd like to think that my little boy will have plenty of land to roam around and hunt when he gets old enough, then his kids, then theirs, etc...

 

[Anonymous]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

Yes, let's eliminate the CRP program and watch 35+ million acres of wildlife cover disappear and go back into crop production across the U.S. We can sit and watch as waterfowl populations plummet because their nesting grounds have been destroyed in the prairie pothole region. Good bye upland bird populations in Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, and the S.E. states. Folks in Kansas and Iowa will wonder "what happened to all the deer."

We should also remove the Wetlands Reserve Program. We might as well not protect any more wetlands in the U.S., and go ahead and destroy the last 10% that are remaining. There would be no incentive not to?

There are always consequences for painting with a broad brush. A little actual knowledge of Farm Bill Programs and their benefits might make people look at things a little differently. I'm not talking about farm subsidies, I'm talking about conservation programs.

Oh ok, so we should listen to you then....someone whose JOB depends on these government farmer welfare programs? LOL yeah right.

Row croppers are making a killing right now, at the expense of the American people having to pay high food prices. The government shouldnt have to pay you to not crop marginal land. Remember back before we had all of these programs? I do, we had ALOT more small game habitat in my area back then.

 

[Tree Tramp]

Quailman you do make a good point. Its sad to see the situation we are in today with our crooked gov. Conservation programs are first on the table to be cut meanwhile we have 900 military bases in 100 different countries and billions of dollars that they dont "know" where it went. I retract my earlier statement.

 

[PickettSFHunter]

Quailman you do make a good point. Its sad to see the situation we are in today with our crooked gov. Conservation programs are first on the table to be cut meanwhile we have 900 military bases in 100 different countries and billions of dollars that they dont "know" where it went. I retract my earlier statement.

That is a good point. We are wasting so much money nation building with all this money going to contractors all over the world that its probably pale in comparison to Ag expenditures. I think Ive seen that Ag is like 1% of federal budget.

 

[Quailman]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

Yes, let's eliminate the CRP program and watch 35+ million acres of wildlife cover disappear and go back into crop production across the U.S. We can sit and watch as waterfowl populations plummet because their nesting grounds have been destroyed in the prairie pothole region. Good bye upland bird populations in Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, and the S.E. states. Folks in Kansas and Iowa will wonder "what happened to all the deer."

We should also remove the Wetlands Reserve Program. We might as well not protect any more wetlands in the U.S., and go ahead and destroy the last 10% that are remaining. There would be no incentive not to?

There are always consequences for painting with a broad brush. A little actual knowledge of Farm Bill Programs and their benefits might make people look at things a little differently. I'm not talking about farm subsidies, I'm talking about conservation programs.

ok, so we should listen to you then....someone whose JOB depends on these government farmer welfare programs? LOL yeah right.

No I'm not saying you should listen to me. What I said is it would help if people like you (and others) actually understood what benefits conservation programs provide for wildlife and millions of sportsman. Again, I will reiterate that I am not talking about subsidy payments.

Just an FYI, my job does not depend on your so-called "farmer welfare programs." I will still be here if they disappear. My agency provided only technical assistance for the first 50 years of our existence. Conservation programs didn't start until the 1985 Farm Bill.

Row croppers are making a killing right now, at the expense of the American people having to pay high food prices. The government shouldnt have to pay you to not crop marginal land.

You might want to research a little on what happens when "marginal" land is farmed. You can Google "Dust Bowl Era".

Remember back before we had all of these programs? I do, we had ALOT more small game habitat in my area back then.

Actually you had more small game habitat decades ago because of limited technology in farming techniques and less-advanced farming equipment that is present today. Add in the fact that we have 20+ million acres of fescue in the Southeast alone that is extremely poor wildlife habitat, and you have a better idea of what has happened on a large scale for small game habitat.

 

[Quailman]

That is a good point. We are wasting so much money nation building with all this money going to contractors all over the world that its probably pale in comparison to Ag expenditures. I think Ive seen that Ag is like 1% of federal budget.

Steven, Conservation programs along with technical assistance and related personnel actually makes up less than 1/10 of 1% of the federal budget. You are probably close with 1% as the total budget for all Ag related costs.

 

[DntBrnDPig]

I'd be absolutely shocked if the military wasnt the BIG money. However I agree that welfare and WIC is abused. The question is how to stop it while helping those who need help.

 

[BSK]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

Yes, let's eliminate the CRP program and watch 35+ million acres of wildlife cover disappear and go back into crop production across the U.S. We can sit and watch as waterfowl populations plummet because their nesting grounds have been destroyed in the prairie pothole region. Good bye upland bird populations in Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, and the S.E. states. Folks in Kansas and Iowa will wonder "what happened to all the deer."

We should also remove the Wetlands Reserve Program. We might as well not protect any more wetlands in the U.S., and go ahead and destroy the last 10% that are remaining. There would be no incentive not to?

There are always consequences for painting with a broad brush. A little actual knowledge of Farm Bill Programs and their benefits might make people look at things a little differently. I'm not talking about farm subsidies, I'm talking about conservation programs.

I'm not saying that government programs don't provide benefits. They absolutely do. But it's time to end them all. ALL. We simply can't afford them.

 

[Quailman]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

Yes, let's eliminate the CRP program and watch 35+ million acres of wildlife cover disappear and go back into crop production across the U.S. We can sit and watch as waterfowl populations plummet because their nesting grounds have been destroyed in the prairie pothole region. Good bye upland bird populations in Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, and the S.E. states. Folks in Kansas and Iowa will wonder "what happened to all the deer."

We should also remove the Wetlands Reserve Program. We might as well not protect any more wetlands in the U.S., and go ahead and destroy the last 10% that are remaining. There would be no incentive not to?

There are always consequences for painting with a broad brush. A little actual knowledge of Farm Bill Programs and their benefits might make people look at things a little differently. I'm not talking about farm subsidies, I'm talking about conservation programs.

I'm not saying that government programs don't provide benefits. They absolutely do. But it's time to end them all. ALL. We simply can't afford them.

Being a staunch conservative, I definitely agree that we need to eliminate some gov't programs that are not a wise use of taxpayer money, but in my opinion conservation programs do provide some tremendous benefits to all of us. I would hate to see them eliminated altogether. Improved yes, eliminated no.

I will once again reiterate that I am talking about conservation programs, not farm subsidies. :grin: I had to throw in my disclaimer!

 

[Truedouble]

we receive money for several of the CRP type programs, which I think are great if the gov't has money. However, this is one of thousands of programs that need to be cut until we clean up the mess in DC. I would point out that there are many, many worthless programs that need to be cut first, but when your broke you have to stay with necessities only.

 

[Truedouble]

There is a big difference between farm subsidies (Farm Services Agency) and USDA Farm Bill Programs (CRP, WHIP, WRP, etc.).

And they all need to go. No more government supporting any type of business or activity. Let the Free Market decide.

Yes, let's eliminate the CRP program and watch 35+ million acres of wildlife cover disappear and go back into crop production across the U.S. We can sit and watch as waterfowl populations plummet because their nesting grounds have been destroyed in the prairie pothole region. Good bye upland bird populations in Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, Illinois, and the S.E. states. Folks in Kansas and Iowa will wonder "what happened to all the deer."

We should also remove the Wetlands Reserve Program. We might as well not protect any more wetlands in the U.S., and go ahead and destroy the last 10% that are remaining. There would be no incentive not to?

There are always consequences for painting with a broad brush. A little actual knowledge of Farm Bill Programs and their benefits might make people look at things a little differently. I'm not talking about farm subsidies, I'm talking about conservation programs.

Cutting these programs might change some of the land use but not all. We will keep our property as is, money or not and hopefully a lot of land owners that don't depend on their land for primary income will do the same. For us it's just been a bonus as we were already trying to create better habitat for deer, turkey, quail, etc. on old farm land.

That being said WE are borrowing our kids and grandkids money to pay for these things. We are down to bare bones needs in this country. My only reservation is I know there will still be a lot of complete BS programs that give hanouts which is not a good use of money regardless of how much money we have. At least the farm programs are good and serve a very important purpose.

 

[slagtown_dfa]

I you caught the President the other day with his NEW Plan about taxes, Job, and BS, well I didn't waste the time, but

It appears he wants to cut out most of the FARM Service payments
going out to people, many this has being pushed for years since famous and well to do people are receiving them. Even though day are one that have had to pay for the land that they own to qualify to get them. This could greatly effect WHIP, CRP, WRP and many other programs that many on here have received at times.

Why Did Ya'll elect him????

I imagine most people on this site didnt vote for him.

 

[BSK]

I imagine most people on this site didnt vote for him.

Not the first time, won't the second time. I would vote for Satan before I would vote for Obama.

 

[Chaneylake]

google "EWG Farm Subsidy Database"

on the far left hand column at the bottom you can click on "Search for farm subsidy recipients"

fill in the blanks and it will show you how much an individual has received, it will blow your mind if you know a large farmer and how much he/she/they are receiving in government payments

 

[Chaneylake]

Rank Name Location Subsidy Total
1995-2010
1 Hughes Farming A Tenn Partnership Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 7,544,986.19
2 Tibbs Farms Partnership Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 6,966,824.72
3 Hendrix & Sons Farm Partnership Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 6,261,095.19
4 English Farms Partnership Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 4,536,153.23
5 Jth Farms Partnership Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 4,011,925.38
6 Mann Farms Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 3,273,514.88
7 Chilcutt Farms Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 3,014,684.35
8 Willis Farms Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 2,320,574.64
9 C & N Farms Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 2,285,627.57
10 Al H Hughes III Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 2,141,906.56
11 Patrick O Hughes Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 2,134,900.04
12 T & B Farms Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 2,071,496.51
13 Carlton Farms Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,843,125.77
14 Carl Thornton Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,819,606.91
15 Haywood Tractor & Implement Sales Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,813,733.73
16 Arnold K Riley Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,786,296.90
17 James Hughes Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,716,866.17
18 Chester King Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,670,469.57
19 P & H Farms Inc Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,666,986.86
20 Hendrix & Sons Inc Brownsville, TN 38012 $ 1,628,070.25

 

[Pic IN the Casa]

Unbelievable!!!! Well, yes, I guess I do believe it.

 

[Chaneylake]

Unbelievable!!!! Well, yes, I guess I do believe it.

that is just the top 20 in Haywood County Tennessee, I am #243 at $48,000.00 +/- since 1995

now factor in every payment on every farm in the USA