Lincoln Co Archer
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anybody been to the elk river lately?
elk river
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trealtree
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bob said:
Good job helping out a new member....
If I knew anything about the Elk I would help you out.
So bob, what makes you think the Caney is being destroyed? Granted, there are way to many people lining the banks every weekend, but most don't keep many fish and very few even target the trophies. In fact, I've never seen more fish in the Caney and the numbers of big fish continue to grow especially with the size limit set on browns. I wouldn't mind seeing a slot limit on rainbows and brookies to increase the number of trophies in the water.
I grew up in Lincold County and cut my teeth fishing on the Elk. I haven't fished it in some time but I know it still holds good numbers and size of both rainbow and brown trout. Just recently heard of a 26 inch brown coming out of the Elk which has peaked my interest. Might be time for this country boy to reacquaint him self with the Might Elk!
LC Archer,
I'll let you know how we do as soon as I have time to get down there.
RIK
I grew up in Lincold County and cut my teeth fishing on the Elk. I haven't fished it in some time but I know it still holds good numbers and size of both rainbow and brown trout. Just recently heard of a 26 inch brown coming out of the Elk which has peaked my interest. Might be time for this country boy to reacquaint him self with the Might Elk!
LC Archer,
I'll let you know how we do as soon as I have time to get down there.
RIK
bigluresonly
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bob said:
Bob, you are a complete tool in every sense of the word. I don't bash members of TNDEER but since "BOB" is a dummy screen name for a normal member I have no problem with it.
Lincoln Co Archer
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thanks RIk i fish the elk quite often on down bass fishing and i normally go a couple of times a year below the dam and but i havent had the chance this year. last year when everything was normal i caught 20+ inch browns almost every trip and as many rainbows as you wanted to catch. the info would be much appreciated.
shorefisherman
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bob said:
Bob, or whoever u are, Why are u so negetive on your posts??
If u dont respond ill understand.
Hmm let me see I�ve been fishing TN�s tailwaters for many years. I�ve seen em rise and fall. Caney is going to fall. Just look around at all the people now taking every large Trout they catch. What you see on here is a drop in the bucket to what is really being taken. But everyday on here it seems like a thread pops with a single fish or a stringer of 20� dead Trout. Then a guy named tubs sets out on a crusade to tell the whole web that Caney has big Trout and encourages the harvest of the fish caught. Then some asshat posts maps of the rivers hot spots and wants to see wall hangers. All of a sudden you can�t find a place to stand on the river. If you don�t think all the publicity and harvest is going to hurt the river as a big fish river then you have alot to learn. There are some other rivers which will remain nameless where people like Tubs and scrubs would be found naked and cold as stone in a sink hole if they put out the kind of info they have here.
But like I said lets keep it localized to the Caney cause there aren�t any big browns in the Elk.
BTW, Someone on here just suggested a stocker brown will be over 20� by spring. That�s some impressive growth rates how long have you studied these fish to learn that? You all obviously like to catch these fish so a word to the wise. Let them go or you�ll be catching dinks like the other fly fishermen.
Yea lure I�m the tool. Have another Bush�.
But like I said lets keep it localized to the Caney cause there aren�t any big browns in the Elk.
BTW, Someone on here just suggested a stocker brown will be over 20� by spring. That�s some impressive growth rates how long have you studied these fish to learn that? You all obviously like to catch these fish so a word to the wise. Let them go or you�ll be catching dinks like the other fly fishermen.
Yea lure I�m the tool. Have another Bush�.
shorefisherman
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ck this out bobb. i was lauchin at the dam couple weeks ago when i saw this twra's shock boat. I asked them lots of questions including them 20"+ browns being depleted by overharvesting. He said they shocked plenty of browns over that size in just 2 miles from dam and they werent concerned.
There is a reason why there is a limit of 2 browns over 18" perday, cause they did the math on how many people on a given time is harvestin browns and bows, thats why its a put in and take out system of river.
and u are assuming that the browns posted here recently excpet for trealtree's were kept right?
if u dont like crowds, just fish it in the winter when the temp is in the teens, u wont see a soul on the whole river!
btw i wouldnt fish the elk if someone paid me. u bob, must be a GUIDE!
There is a reason why there is a limit of 2 browns over 18" perday, cause they did the math on how many people on a given time is harvestin browns and bows, thats why its a put in and take out system of river.
and u are assuming that the browns posted here recently excpet for trealtree's were kept right?
if u dont like crowds, just fish it in the winter when the temp is in the teens, u wont see a soul on the whole river!
btw i wouldnt fish the elk if someone paid me. u bob, must be a GUIDE!
Lets hope they are not being carried out faster then they are surviving but think about all the fish that HAVE been removed. Those fish are gone and have no chance of growing to 15,20 or heaven forbid 30 pounds. Those fish had learned how to survive and were destined to be REAL giant fish but instead were removed to feed egos and pot bellies. Look at what size and creel limits have done to crappie and Bass. Plenty of undersize fish, a few keepers, big fish are rare. Ever fished a zero limit Bass lake in FL? Stick Marsh, farm pond 13 come to mind and they are mind blowing places to fish.
The big fish on the elk are a different breed. They eat all the same but due to current flows those jerkbaits aren�t as effective. You gota learn a new game, develop more skills, evolve as an angler, to catch those fish. This is why most people don�t fish it,, thankfully.
I�m no guide, hopefully I�m a voice of reason.
The big fish on the elk are a different breed. They eat all the same but due to current flows those jerkbaits aren�t as effective. You gota learn a new game, develop more skills, evolve as an angler, to catch those fish. This is why most people don�t fish it,, thankfully.
I�m no guide, hopefully I�m a voice of reason.
TN24081
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Hey "Bob"... the world doesn't revolve around YOU and what YOU want. There are more people out there that enjoy catching numbers of fish and EATING fish than there are people out there looking for that MONSTER fish like you are....
Tink69, pass me a piece of that fish.......
Tink69, pass me a piece of that fish.......
ibfishin
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tink69 said:
Thats the way I see it
What I think is amusing...is that BOB is not catching the monster fish. The people catching the true MONSTER trout are the ones using the kind of fish BOB catches...for bait. Ala that friggin' hoss of a 20 pound brown...but I've seen even bigger pics of fish out of that river. Caught on huge spoons by the old war vets that stand on the wall everyday. Fish to 37". Huge browns....
...it still amuses me to this day how some anglers, primarily the bulk of it from fly angling, try to tell the rest of the angling populous how and what to harvest from the entire perspective of the fishery, when they are only actively targeting the lower 20% of the sizes present. The studies I've read show that those brown can grow up to 3/4" in a month...doesn't take long for a 12" to get to 20". but Let's put this into perspective...I remember a timew hen I was accused to taking TROPHY browns out for table fare...a trophy in someone's mind was a 20" fish. Somehow...I have to utterly disagree with this. Trophy isn't relative to the angler in question, its in relation to what that particular body of water can produce. I remember a time when catchinga 16" was a big thing for me, and then I EVOLVED and changed my tactics and now I hate to say I scoff a 20"...but I do. 24's make for nice pictures [and even better steaks...on occasion..] and a 30 is the new cornerstone, but to consistently target and catch them, I too will have to eVOLVE my tactics.
I also get tickled at how we've taken something that is no more than yet another possible method, fly fsihing, and turned it into the brass ring of angling accomplishment, when most of that accomplishment isn't even judged on the water. How well and far you cast, how pretty this fly is...how REALISTIC. I caught my largest brown to date on a NEON BLUE AND GREEN minnow bait. How's that for matching the hatch? Most flyanglers I meet are far too concerned with minutia in angling and have very little fishing facts to back it up...depth speed, size control....and most importantly location. NOt all, there are a few great ones out there that command my respect, but they are few and far between, and ironically enough, they gained the bulk of their knowledge learning on other tactics. Jerkbait fishing is NOT a dummy sport. To be quite frank, there are lots of people throwing jerkbaits out there, but few have the consistency of success that shore, biglures, RIK, and myself have had. Some have had better, but not many. This shows that there is FAR more to this than just THROWING A BAIT...the bait is the tool, and while it is a great triggering mechanism for instinctional reaction strikes, my love of them comes in the versatility in a current environment. I have a whole box of different sizes and models, situated for different scenarios, from shallow water wading where a bait riding high and slightly smaller is needed, to a gamakatsu taco that gets down about 5-6 feet on three tugs and puts it into the strike range of the larger fish holding parallel to steep shoreline breaks in current. Believe it or not, those who do NOT flyfish still possess a great deal of knowledge about a water.
I never encouraged OVER HARVEST of a water, and have made mistakes I regret, but this ZERO limit BS in a stocked tailwater over the brim...IT IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMODATE HARVEST...this is NOT MONTANA...everyone of those fish was put in there for the sole purpose TO be harvested! But in the beauty of it, the limits are designed so that the right about of fish make it past that mark, past the bulk of angling pressure, to safely accomodate the presence of a few of the super predator browns that gobble up stockers as well as any striper in the system. But, alas, few know how to even target them, or even fewer know they exist. I know lots of people that can't believe there are that many big trout in the river...that's because they aren't in 6 inches of water in the riffles. The home of BIG FISH is in DEEP WATER [Buck perry] and while they may move up daily and seasonally, that is NOT where they originate. I can tell you almost exactly why my biggest brown was caught in knee deep water [I was in knee deep...he was in 5 feet] and in fact, called the fishing that day due to the incredible weather conditions present. I intended to go musky fishing, knowing I'd score, but boat problems forced me to go wading. Turns out it was a good call anyway. Yet, most people I talk to out there don't even factor weather into the equation, something I"ve seen kill fishing trips before, night and day between consecutive 24 hour trips.
I also have this to say...I sometimes think that problems with overharvest being blamed for lack of fishing succcess in many bodies of water with consistent pressure is more due to localized weather patterns...its happened before. If a force like weather is strong enough to create year classes by destroying spawning movements of bass in local lakes back home, sure enough it will affect the angler in his daily struggle if the fish are put into extended periods of dormancy [particularly the larger fish] due to consecutive frontal systems. In that case, I'd say the bigger fish move at night [and why I'd only get the 20 +'s at Betty's wading after dark many times...wouldn't show themselves until the twilight after everyone else had gone].
My two cents...
...it still amuses me to this day how some anglers, primarily the bulk of it from fly angling, try to tell the rest of the angling populous how and what to harvest from the entire perspective of the fishery, when they are only actively targeting the lower 20% of the sizes present. The studies I've read show that those brown can grow up to 3/4" in a month...doesn't take long for a 12" to get to 20". but Let's put this into perspective...I remember a timew hen I was accused to taking TROPHY browns out for table fare...a trophy in someone's mind was a 20" fish. Somehow...I have to utterly disagree with this. Trophy isn't relative to the angler in question, its in relation to what that particular body of water can produce. I remember a time when catchinga 16" was a big thing for me, and then I EVOLVED and changed my tactics and now I hate to say I scoff a 20"...but I do. 24's make for nice pictures [and even better steaks...on occasion..] and a 30 is the new cornerstone, but to consistently target and catch them, I too will have to eVOLVE my tactics.
I also get tickled at how we've taken something that is no more than yet another possible method, fly fsihing, and turned it into the brass ring of angling accomplishment, when most of that accomplishment isn't even judged on the water. How well and far you cast, how pretty this fly is...how REALISTIC. I caught my largest brown to date on a NEON BLUE AND GREEN minnow bait. How's that for matching the hatch? Most flyanglers I meet are far too concerned with minutia in angling and have very little fishing facts to back it up...depth speed, size control....and most importantly location. NOt all, there are a few great ones out there that command my respect, but they are few and far between, and ironically enough, they gained the bulk of their knowledge learning on other tactics. Jerkbait fishing is NOT a dummy sport. To be quite frank, there are lots of people throwing jerkbaits out there, but few have the consistency of success that shore, biglures, RIK, and myself have had. Some have had better, but not many. This shows that there is FAR more to this than just THROWING A BAIT...the bait is the tool, and while it is a great triggering mechanism for instinctional reaction strikes, my love of them comes in the versatility in a current environment. I have a whole box of different sizes and models, situated for different scenarios, from shallow water wading where a bait riding high and slightly smaller is needed, to a gamakatsu taco that gets down about 5-6 feet on three tugs and puts it into the strike range of the larger fish holding parallel to steep shoreline breaks in current. Believe it or not, those who do NOT flyfish still possess a great deal of knowledge about a water.
I never encouraged OVER HARVEST of a water, and have made mistakes I regret, but this ZERO limit BS in a stocked tailwater over the brim...IT IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMODATE HARVEST...this is NOT MONTANA...everyone of those fish was put in there for the sole purpose TO be harvested! But in the beauty of it, the limits are designed so that the right about of fish make it past that mark, past the bulk of angling pressure, to safely accomodate the presence of a few of the super predator browns that gobble up stockers as well as any striper in the system. But, alas, few know how to even target them, or even fewer know they exist. I know lots of people that can't believe there are that many big trout in the river...that's because they aren't in 6 inches of water in the riffles. The home of BIG FISH is in DEEP WATER [Buck perry] and while they may move up daily and seasonally, that is NOT where they originate. I can tell you almost exactly why my biggest brown was caught in knee deep water [I was in knee deep...he was in 5 feet] and in fact, called the fishing that day due to the incredible weather conditions present. I intended to go musky fishing, knowing I'd score, but boat problems forced me to go wading. Turns out it was a good call anyway. Yet, most people I talk to out there don't even factor weather into the equation, something I"ve seen kill fishing trips before, night and day between consecutive 24 hour trips.
I also have this to say...I sometimes think that problems with overharvest being blamed for lack of fishing succcess in many bodies of water with consistent pressure is more due to localized weather patterns...its happened before. If a force like weather is strong enough to create year classes by destroying spawning movements of bass in local lakes back home, sure enough it will affect the angler in his daily struggle if the fish are put into extended periods of dormancy [particularly the larger fish] due to consecutive frontal systems. In that case, I'd say the bigger fish move at night [and why I'd only get the 20 +'s at Betty's wading after dark many times...wouldn't show themselves until the twilight after everyone else had gone].
My two cents...
Oh yeah, biglures and shore...next time I'm up...Elk River and Clinch hehe...
...oh yeha, and what about Toccoa? Why don't we meet in the middle, I've heard of some 30's being shocked up there...yes...pounders.
...and on t hat note, in the next year...we're going to Taneycomo. State shocked up a 37 pound brown two year ago....night fishing the bluffs. Game....on.
...oh yeha, and what about Toccoa? Why don't we meet in the middle, I've heard of some 30's being shocked up there...yes...pounders.
...and on t hat note, in the next year...we're going to Taneycomo. State shocked up a 37 pound brown two year ago....night fishing the bluffs. Game....on.
In the words of Kevin Pitts, successful flyfishing guide and dear angling confidant who spent years fishing the Wautaga and S. Holston, as well as Port St. Jo in Florida...
..."if a bunch of hungry rednecks can ruin a trout fishery...the TWRA isn't doing their job..."
..."if a bunch of hungry rednecks can ruin a trout fishery...the TWRA isn't doing their job..."
put and take, doesn't that say it all?
JimFromTN
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I can sympathize with Bob. I used to float the caney more than a few years back when it was not so popular. Back in those days you could limit on 14 to 18 inch fish between the dam and happy hollow if you were so inclined. One of my friends was friends with Doug Markham of the TWRA and he just had to tell him how good we were doing. Ole Doug decided to anounce it on the TN Outdoorsmen. Its never been the same since. I am a firm believer in keeping your mouth shut when you have something good. I have lost way too many hunting and fishing spots because someone decided to brag. Of course, coming back and saying it sucks and don't go there is kind of suspicious too.
I think its great that you all can discuss the caney and where to catch them and what to use but someone posted a map here where the trophies are located. If it gets out to the general population, you're gonna hate yourself because you won't be able to get your line wet without tangling up with the corn fishermen. That type of information should be sent in emails and not posted on forums. Just my opinion.
I think its great that you all can discuss the caney and where to catch them and what to use but someone posted a map here where the trophies are located. If it gets out to the general population, you're gonna hate yourself because you won't be able to get your line wet without tangling up with the corn fishermen. That type of information should be sent in emails and not posted on forums. Just my opinion.
You keep making that stupid quote tubs. Do you really believe it? That�s like saying if your home gets broken into then the police aren�t doing their job. Really tubs, do you think TWRA can keep all the rivers and lakes full of fish and the pastures and forests full of Turkey, deer, elk, quail, and all the other great species without any help or forethought from the sportsman? TWRA isn�t an all knowing all seeing force dude. I know a lot of you will hate to hear this, but ultimately its up to YOU to preserve our natural heritage.
I�ve never said don�t keep any fish. Just be mindful of what you do keep. In a Trout river this is very important. The ones that live past the disease and other mortality are the future good ones. Take them and soon enough you�re left with just another urban stocking program, a place to catch stocker Trout straight out of the truck.
Looking around some other boards I�m seeing where locals are reporting their homes being broken into this year and lots of vandalism in the parking lots on the caney. Looks like all this publicity is drawing some of your �rednecks� to the river Tubs. Maybe TWRA will take care of this problem too.
�I'm recently missing two of my best rifles myself. Yesterday when taking off the river with a couple good buddies we noticed a fellow having someone put air in both his rear tires which I guess had been flattened. The thefts and vandalism are a first for us in the almost six years we've lived here. The neighborhood is changing.�
�We get to the cabin and there is no way to get in, but that back screen door is open and there is a hole where the screen had been pushed in. So, logically (yeah right) I thought: "Maybe she left the backdoor open." Well, the back door was loose and I could see in and noticed a nice little boom box by the back door, but no TV (My wife was concerned about the TV). We left and I called the lady on my cell and left a message. About 1/4 of the way back to Nashville, she calls and we figure out she had the wrong e mail for us. She gives me the code. We go back. As I'm opening the door, I hear tow guys tearing ass away from the bank in a canoe and look over the rail to see them paddling like crazy. I go in and the door to the screened porch is open and the boom box is gone! �
Watch where you step on the Elk ole buddy these folks around here,, well lets just say there�re different�
I�ve never said don�t keep any fish. Just be mindful of what you do keep. In a Trout river this is very important. The ones that live past the disease and other mortality are the future good ones. Take them and soon enough you�re left with just another urban stocking program, a place to catch stocker Trout straight out of the truck.
Looking around some other boards I�m seeing where locals are reporting their homes being broken into this year and lots of vandalism in the parking lots on the caney. Looks like all this publicity is drawing some of your �rednecks� to the river Tubs. Maybe TWRA will take care of this problem too.
�I'm recently missing two of my best rifles myself. Yesterday when taking off the river with a couple good buddies we noticed a fellow having someone put air in both his rear tires which I guess had been flattened. The thefts and vandalism are a first for us in the almost six years we've lived here. The neighborhood is changing.�
�We get to the cabin and there is no way to get in, but that back screen door is open and there is a hole where the screen had been pushed in. So, logically (yeah right) I thought: "Maybe she left the backdoor open." Well, the back door was loose and I could see in and noticed a nice little boom box by the back door, but no TV (My wife was concerned about the TV). We left and I called the lady on my cell and left a message. About 1/4 of the way back to Nashville, she calls and we figure out she had the wrong e mail for us. She gives me the code. We go back. As I'm opening the door, I hear tow guys tearing ass away from the bank in a canoe and look over the rail to see them paddling like crazy. I go in and the door to the screened porch is open and the boom box is gone! �
Watch where you step on the Elk ole buddy these folks around here,, well lets just say there�re different�
JimFromTN
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Are you talking about that cabin on the caney thats about half way between the dam and happy hollow that has the for rent sign out by the waters edge or is the on the Elk that you are talking about? Everytime I paddle past that cabin, I always want to call the number and find how much it goes for. Of course, if it is frequently broken into, maybe not.
If we were talking about an urban stocking location then yes. If we are talking about a river where the fish have proven year after year they can survive and need more regulation then no.waterman said:
Look at the South Holston for an example.
JimFromTN
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What do they charge? Is it clean? What do you think of it? More importantly, what does your wife think of it? My girlfriend and I have discussed renting it.
I personally hate all the people down on the river and it has affected fishing for me. The numbers are down and so is the average size. People here don't seem to care because they are going after trophies. I feel my friend has hurt the fishing far more than this website has by having it anounced on TV. Thats a no brainer. I also think the trophy fishermen on the website are very niave to think their fishery won't be affected by the leaking of information. I think all that ole Bob would have to do to prove this point would be to print up the post that included the map and make a thousand copies and then distribute it down the river. Even if they don't catch anything, see how easy it is to catch a fish after the waters have been beaten to death by hundreds of fishermen everyday on a regular basis.
I personally hate all the people down on the river and it has affected fishing for me. The numbers are down and so is the average size. People here don't seem to care because they are going after trophies. I feel my friend has hurt the fishing far more than this website has by having it anounced on TV. Thats a no brainer. I also think the trophy fishermen on the website are very niave to think their fishery won't be affected by the leaking of information. I think all that ole Bob would have to do to prove this point would be to print up the post that included the map and make a thousand copies and then distribute it down the river. Even if they don't catch anything, see how easy it is to catch a fish after the waters have been beaten to death by hundreds of fishermen everyday on a regular basis.
floated by that cabin sunday and noticed a silver boombox laying on the river edge, would that be the same radio?cant stand a theif!
