CWD Facts

[bloodtrailing]

Fact is there are few known facts.

Deer can die from it.

It impacts the nervous system

Prions were found in infected deer

Prions have been found in soil and plants.

Eradicating deer populations in infected areas have not stopped it

It has been studied and in herds for over 20 years.

Current science knowledge is incomplete and inconclusive

That is pretty much all the facts

Unknowns
How is it transmitted
Are prions the cause
Is it naturally occurring
Are deer with prions destined to die
Can it be transmitted to humans or other non deer species
How to stop it or prevent it
What is the cause of it




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[Andy S.]

As with a lot of posts I've seen on CWD, this one has a lot of misinformation. The best thing to do is delete it, and do more reading on the subject matter. My .02

Start here: http://cwd-info.org

 

[Omega]

I don't know, it seems to correspond to the stuff I've been reading. More simplistic of course but can't really be disputed.

 

[bloodtrailing]

Andy not trying to spread misinformation, quite the opposite. In reading your link like others the words may and hypothesize are used often. There is really not very much known. Some may feel convinced but the experts admit much is to be learned.


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[westtnhunter]

I see info on the TWRA website about what to do in Fayette and Hardeman county during the extended season
But what about now? I hunt in Fayette County and was sitting in the stand this morning
Thinking "what steps do I take this week if I shoot a deer?"

What are the steps to take?
Thanks

 

[Andy S.]

The steps for today in CWD Zone are same as extended season. You can only take deboned meat, skull plate, hide, etc out of those three counties (Hardeman, Fayette, McNairy). A whole deer is not to leave those three counties from this point forward, unless regulations change.

 

[fairchaser]

The steps for today in CWD Zone are same as extended season. You can only take deboned meat, skull plate, hide, etc out of those three counties (Hardeman, Fayette, McNairy). A whole deer is not to leave those three counties from this point forward, unless regulations change.

Exactly Andy! People need to take this seriously. It could mean the difference for the next county getting in the CWD zone. Your carefree days of deer hunting could change forever if one infected deer gets mishandled. The implications of CWD will change deer hunting forever. You could say those of us in the zone right now have lost our innocence. Many of us are having to reassess the thing we love and think about all year! Our QDM program of 15 years is down the toilet and possibly forever. I started a thread three months ago after we got a talk from a biologist on CWD about how serious the disease was. Now that we have it, I realize how little I realized the implications of it all were and we are just getting started. I plead with everyone to abide by the rules and just maybe you can keep deer hunting like days of yore. For us in the zone, it's over.

 

[westtnhunter]

The steps for today in CWD Zone are same as extended season. You can only take deboned meat, skull plate, hide, etc out of those three counties (Hardeman, Fayette, McNairy). A whole deer is not to leave those three counties from this point forward, unless regulations change.

What I meant as far as what to do is where do I take the deer if I kill one

 

[Andy S.]

The steps for today in CWD Zone are same as extended season. You can only take deboned meat, skull plate, hide, etc out of those three counties (Hardeman, Fayette, McNairy). A whole deer is not to leave those three counties from this point forward, unless regulations change.

What I meant as far as what to do is where do I take the deer if I kill one

To have it processed? Have it tested for CWD? Or what?

This link should tell you what you need to know:

https://www.tn.gov/twra/hunting/cwd.html

 

[BULL MOOSE]

The steps for today in CWD Zone are same as extended season. You can only take deboned meat, skull plate, hide, etc out of those three counties (Hardeman, Fayette, McNairy). A whole deer is not to leave those three counties from this point forward, unless regulations change.

Exactly Andy! People need to take this seriously. It could mean the difference for the next county getting in the CWD zone. Your carefree days of deer hunting could change forever if one infected deer gets mishandled. The implications of CWD will change deer hunting forever. You could say those of us in the zone right now have lost our innocence. Many of us are having to reassess the thing we love and think about all year! Our QDM program of 15 years is down the toilet and possibly forever. I started a thread three months ago after we got a talk from a biologist on CWD about how serious the disease was. Now that we have it, I realize how little I realized the implications of it all were and we are just getting started. I plead with everyone to abide by the rules and just maybe you can keep deer hunting like days of yore. For us in the zone, it's over.

Fairchaser....I am not normally a conspiracy Nur. However, Ames had a CWD guest speaker, TWRA put together a 5 year deer plan and a CWD plan, and now 10 cases are found in a small area. It makes you wonder if they already knew it was there.

 

[scn]

The TWRA five year plan is an ongoing deal. It was just time for it to be done again. TWRA has had a CWD plan for many years. It has been revised more than once as new information has come in.

 

[Omega]

I don't want to make light of this, and I too hope everyone abides by the new rules but here is where I have questions. If CWD is in the brain and spine etc. Why do they not want those collected and disposed of properly? By making everyone debone in the county of origin, or any of the three I suppose, you'll have all these possible contaminants left in the field. Many of the info articles I've read, across many hot zones, say you can take a clean skull cap, or European mount with no meat, that means there will be some cutting into the brain and leaving in the field contaminating the area and/or having scavengers to spread it around. Doesn't this make more sense to make everyone turn them (the bones and contaminated parts) in to a place setup for proper disposal?
When I was stationed at Ft Bragg, I belonged to McKeller's Lodge, which had a kill shed, setup with gambrels, tools, running water etc. Where you could properly field dress your deer, they kept a DNR guy there to get data, teeth to age, no CWD there then, and would dig pits to dump your gut piles and bones into. Lime then dirt was layered daily, to help decomposition, which may help with CWD I've read. A few of these in the hot zones may reduce the possible spread of CWD.

 

[poorhunter]

I don't want to make light of this, and I too hope everyone abides by the new rules but here is where I have questions. If CWD is in the brain and spine etc. Why do they not want those collected and disposed of properly? By making everyone debone in the county of origin, or any of the three I suppose, you'll have all these possible contaminants left in the field. Many of the info articles I've read, across many hot zones, say you can take a clean skull cap, or European mount with no meat, that means there will be some cutting into the brain and leaving in the field contaminating the area and/or having scavengers to spread it around. Doesn't this make more sense to make everyone turn them (the bones and contaminated parts) in to a place setup for proper disposal?
When I was stationed at Ft Bragg, I belonged to McKeller's Lodge, which had a kill shed, setup with gambrels, tools, running water etc. Where you could properly field dress your deer, they kept a DNR guy there to get data, teeth to age, no CWD there then, and would dig pits to dump your gut piles and bones into. Lime then dirt was layered daily, to help decomposition, which may help with CWD I've read. A few of these in the hot zones may reduce the possible spread of CWD.

If I'm not mistaken, Wisconsin has hunters dispose of the bones and all in the landfill.

 

[fairchaser]

The steps for today in CWD Zone are same as extended season. You can only take deboned meat, skull plate, hide, etc out of those three counties (Hardeman, Fayette, McNairy). A whole deer is not to leave those three counties from this point forward, unless regulations change.

Exactly Andy! People need to take this seriously. It could mean the difference for the next county getting in the CWD zone. Your carefree days of deer hunting could change forever if one infected deer gets mishandled. The implications of CWD will change deer hunting forever. You could say those of us in the zone right now have lost our innocence. Many of us are having to reassess the thing we love and think about all year! Our QDM program of 15 years is down the toilet and possibly forever. I started a thread three months ago after we got a talk from a biologist on CWD about how serious the disease was. Now that we have it, I realize how little I realized the implications of it all were and we are just getting started. I plead with everyone to abide by the rules and just maybe you can keep deer hunting like days of yore. For us in the zone, it's over.

Fairchaser....I am not normally a conspiracy Nur. However, Ames had a CWD guest speaker, TWRA put together a 5 year deer plan and a CWD plan, and now 10 cases are found in a small area. It makes you wonder if they already knew it was there.

The timing is unusual. But, I don't believe they knew. They were hoping that we wouldn't see it for another decade but that obviously didn't happen. They did suspect it was coming sometime. Normally they would have seen some evidence of sick or dead deer around the plantation but some unusual circumstances and weather prevented this until hunting season and that's when we started noticing the lack of sightings, sick deer and low weight deer coming in. This was all after the banquet and Dr. Strickland came to talk to us about CWD. We are going to get more samples this next weekend to see the extent of the problem but we have it for sure. We know of one Typhoid Mary doe that came back positive during the random checks by the TWRA. Ames personnel will do whatever it takes to slow this down if that's possible. They have the best people in the country working on it. I pray for a Christmas miracle to find a cure for this plague.

 

[Roost 1]

What is Typhoid Mary???

 

[scn]

What is Typhoid Mary???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

 

[CBU93]

I don't want to make light of this, and I too hope everyone abides by the new rules but here is where I have questions. If CWD is in the brain and spine etc. Why do they not want those collected and disposed of properly? By making everyone debone in the county of origin, or any of the three I suppose, you'll have all these possible contaminants left in the field. Many of the info articles I've read, across many hot zones, say you can take a clean skull cap, or European mount with no meat, that means there will be some cutting into the brain and leaving in the field contaminating the area and/or having scavengers to spread it around. Doesn't this make more sense to make everyone turn them (the bones and contaminated parts) in to a place setup for proper disposal?
When I was stationed at Ft Bragg, I belonged to McKeller's Lodge, which had a kill shed, setup with gambrels, tools, running water etc. Where you could properly field dress your deer, they kept a DNR guy there to get data, teeth to age, no CWD there then, and would dig pits to dump your gut piles and bones into. Lime then dirt was layered daily, to help decomposition, which may help with CWD I've read. A few of these in the hot zones may reduce the possible spread of CWD.

From what I've seen and read, the reason is basically, those areas already have the prion...just leaving those discarded parts there will not help it spread.

We can't stop it yet, so it is basically slowing it down by not moving already contaminated material to non contaminated areas.

 

[rmmonty32]

I dont understand why they say you can take deboned meat aren't they saying the meat is contaminated as well?

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[darn2ten]

I don't want to make light of this, and I too hope everyone abides by the new rules but here is where I have questions. If CWD is in the brain and spine etc. Why do they not want those collected and disposed of properly? By making everyone debone in the county of origin, or any of the three I suppose, you'll have all these possible contaminants left in the field. Many of the info articles I've read, across many hot zones, say you can take a clean skull cap, or European mount with no meat, that means there will be some cutting into the brain and leaving in the field contaminating the area and/or having scavengers to spread it around. Doesn't this make more sense to make everyone turn them (the bones and contaminated parts) in to a place setup for proper disposal?
When I was stationed at Ft Bragg, I belonged to McKeller's Lodge, which had a kill shed, setup with gambrels, tools, running water etc. Where you could properly field dress your deer, they kept a DNR guy there to get data, teeth to age, no CWD there then, and would dig pits to dump your gut piles and bones into. Lime then dirt was layered daily, to help decomposition, which may help with CWD I've read. A few of these in the hot zones may reduce the possible spread of CWD.

From what I've seen and read, the reason is basically, those areas already have the prion...just leaving those discarded parts there will not help it spread.

We can't stop it yet, so it is basically slowing it down by not moving already contaminated material to non contaminated areas.

What I don't understand is all the info I've seen is no positives where found in Mcnairy Co. I guess they were added because 1 of the positives was in a so many mile radius of the their line. Now Mcnairy Co. is 564 sq. miles, why let carcasses be transported all over that county? Seems like a pretty quick way to spread it to the east side of Mcnairy. Then what? How long till Hardin is included? I totally understand a plan has to be implemented, but it looks like as much should be done to contain it to as small a area as possible for as long as possible.

 

[Omega]

I don't want to make light of this, and I too hope everyone abides by the new rules but here is where I have questions. If CWD is in the brain and spine etc. Why do they not want those collected and disposed of properly? By making everyone debone in the county of origin, or any of the three I suppose, you'll have all these possible contaminants left in the field. Many of the info articles I've read, across many hot zones, say you can take a clean skull cap, or European mount with no meat, that means there will be some cutting into the brain and leaving in the field contaminating the area and/or having scavengers to spread it around. Doesn't this make more sense to make everyone turn them (the bones and contaminated parts) in to a place setup for proper disposal?
When I was stationed at Ft Bragg, I belonged to McKeller's Lodge, which had a kill shed, setup with gambrels, tools, running water etc. Where you could properly field dress your deer, they kept a DNR guy there to get data, teeth to age, no CWD there then, and would dig pits to dump your gut piles and bones into. Lime then dirt was layered daily, to help decomposition, which may help with CWD I've read. A few of these in the hot zones may reduce the possible spread of CWD.

From what I've seen and read, the reason is basically, those areas already have the prion...just leaving those discarded parts there will not help it spread.

We can't stop it yet, so it is basically slowing it down by not moving already contaminated material to non contaminated areas.

The spread can happen by contaminating new areas. If you look at where the positives came from, and making the assumption that it is not county wide, yet, if a deer comes from a hot zone and travels to the north, but staying in the county, the remains may contaminate a new area. And if left in the open, scavengers can spread it far and wide, posibly into new counties. I know on my little piece of land there is a bunch of scat with deer hair in it, and vultures always cleanup the remains.
I see why they want the remains to stay close to the harvest point, there will be some that wouldn't take the remains to the landfill otherwise, but if it's as serious as they are making it out to be, maybe a more stricter approach is warranted.

 

[CBU93]

As stated, you will not stop it yet...best you can do is slow it down.

My guess is that it is already there in McNairy just not confirmed yet. Which sucks, cause that is where my farm is. I'm scared of it, admittedly. It was never a good spot, but the only one I have had for several years.

 

[TLRanger]

Just look at the bright side........Lease prices will most likely bottom out in that area.

 

[fairchaser]

Here are some additional facts about CWD you might find interesting.

1. There is no effective test on a live deer.
Keep that in mind when you think about all the captive deer being transported.

2. Testing on dead deer is not 100%.
Either it detects it or it doesn't. That doesn't mean that if you get a negative test that the deer doesn't have CWD.

3. There is no cure and it's 100% fatal and kills the deer in 2 years.

4. According to Dr. Grant Woods, without a cure or way to stop the disease, in 40 years whitetails will be extinct.

5. Whitetail deer hunting is a $5 billion industry and is the primary financing for state wildlife agencies. So, without deer, there is little support for wildlife.

Merry Christmas

 

[MUP]

#2 is a little confusing to me. Does that also mean that a positive test result doesn't 100% confirm a positive cwd case?

 

[Omega]

#4 Seems to be mere speculation, since it's already been around 20 plus years, that we know of, and deer populations are stronger than ever. I've also read that there are some that seem to be immune.

 

[fairchaser]

#4 Seems to be mere speculation, since it's already been around 20 plus years, that we know of, and deer populations are stronger than ever. I've also read that there are some that seem to be immune.

Of course it's speculation and I'm a glass half full. But the reality is that it has reduced herd sizes and reduced hunting opportunities and reduced available tags in some areas. It's more prevalent now than ever before. I hope your right about some may be immune because that could be the cure for the disease. If we can get these immune deer into the herds then over time CWD could be rendered irrelevant.

 

[fairchaser]

#2 is a little confusing to me. Does that also mean that a positive test result doesn't 100% confirm a positive cwd case?

There are three levels of testing. There is a preliminary positive which is what we have with the 13 positives we have now in the CWD zone. I'm more concerned about false negatives when it comes to consuming meat.

 

[Omega]

#4 Seems to be mere speculation, since it's already been around 20 plus years, that we know of, and deer populations are stronger than ever. I've also read that there are some that seem to be immune.

Of course it's speculation and I'm a glass half full. But the reality is that it has reduced herd sizes and reduced hunting opportunities and reduced available tags in some areas. It's more prevalent now than ever before. I hope your right about some may be immune because that could be the cure for the disease. If we can get these immune deer into the herds then over time CWD could be rendered irrelevant.

Well sure, but that was because some places decided to cull a bunch of deer to try and stop the spread. How many actually died of CWD in the areas where herd populations were depleted?

 

[CBU93]

#4 Seems to be mere speculation, since it's already been around 20 plus years, that we know of, and deer populations are stronger than ever. I've also read that there are some that seem to be immune.

One prevalence rates reach a higher level than annual fawn recruitment, it is just a matter of time. I can certainly see CWD as an extinction level event. Maybe not in our lifetime, but at some time. That's just math.

 

[fairchaser]

#4 Seems to be mere speculation, since it's already been around 20 plus years, that we know of, and deer populations are stronger than ever. I've also read that there are some that seem to be immune.

One prevalence rates reach a higher level than annual fawn recruitment, it is just a matter of time. I can certainly see CWD as an extinction level event. Maybe not in our lifetime, but at some time. That's just math.

Exactly! I think that tipping point is around 30% when fawn recruitment can not keep up with herd mortality and herds decline.