A video I saw somewhere else questioning CWD. Lots more people feel like it is more of a Covid hoax to stop hunting than I realized. Judge for yourself!
CWD a hoax?
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A video I saw somewhere else questioning CWD. Lots more people feel like it is more of a Covid hoax to stop hunting than I realized. Judge for yourself!
MickThompson
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DVM=Veterinarian=deer farm schill
Ask the guys on here that hunt or used to hunt Ames if it's a hoax. Ask yourself why state agencies tasked with managing deer and that are funded largely by deer hunters would want to kill deer hunting.
Ask the guys on here that hunt or used to hunt Ames if it's a hoax. Ask yourself why state agencies tasked with managing deer and that are funded largely by deer hunters would want to kill deer hunting.
MidTennFisher
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I don't think it's a total hoax but I do think it is quite exaggerated or states like Wisconsin would have very few deer. They have horrible CWD issues, and have for over 20 years. Deer farms all over the place exacerbate the issue. Yet they have one of the highest deer densities in the US. Despite extreme hunting pressure as well.
My opinion is still the same. Extended, liberal limits rifle seasons in "CWD zones" are worse for the deer than CWD is.
My opinion is still the same. Extended, liberal limits rifle seasons in "CWD zones" are worse for the deer than CWD is.
I don't think it is a farce. I think it has been turned into a "crisis we can't let go to waste" . Years from now when CWD has lost its punch and we are onto whatever the next big government money making crisis is, I believe the way CWD has been handled will be exposed as one of the great failures of modern conservation.
WanderingNomad
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You summed it up really well. Definitely not a hoax but the way Tennessee has treated it has been ridiculous. Look at other states, mainly western states that have CWD and went about their normal business. Some deer die from it and some live from it.
themanpcl
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I saw a great yt video by Dr Grant Woods on CWD. It opened my eyes a bit. He explained it in such a way that I could understand...lol
I've still yet seen where a single deer died from CWD. Plenty have tested positive after they were shot. Where is the dead deer they found and tested??? Deer get sick just like humans and die from multiple causes and then some. I get it that CWD is here but I'm not getting where they say it's as bad as they make it out. I honestly feel like TWRA and those on the CWD bandwagon are doing more damage to the herd then the disease is.
MidTennFisher
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Good question. Why aren't we seeing dead deer lying all over the place in West TN? Not hit by a car, not killed by a coyote, not one that was shot but not recovered. Just plain dead then tested and found CWD to be the culprit.
I'll further my question, why don't we see this not only in TN, but in the ~30 other states that have CWD? I'm sure it happens on occasion but if CWD were as bad as we're being told, we'd have dead cervids all over the US. Just laying around dead with no physical injuries.
Cwd is definitely not a hoax, but the way our state has handled it has been really lousy. There should be much better communication and the idea of killing them all to stop the spread is probably not the right approach.
kentuckylakebuck1
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Thank you for sharing! this makes way more sense than anything ive read or seen about this subject! thank you!!
kentuckylakebuck1
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how about DEPREDATION PERMITS!?!
kentuckylakebuck1
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it is if the insurance companies are paying the agency to get the numbers down!
Ok what about them? they don't report what's killed
Flintlocksforme
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Not familiar with WI but there is a maximum carrying capacity for an ecosystem
Well I reckon it crashed? that's why the numbers dropped so much?
Flintlocksforme
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Yeah looks like it.
I'm not saying CWD was the cause but has anybody read why the numbers dropped so much? my chart I pulled up went back to 1960, it was like ours very few deer at 1 time, not sure what a healthy # would be
kentuckylakebuck1
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the reason they dont report them is because they dont want you to know how many are being killed! the population has been in dramatic decline since they started pushing these permits!
MidTennFisher
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This doesn't exactly show a population crash. And really it doesn't show much of anything without a legend to tell us what the blue/red means.
The chart posted several posts above yours shows quite a population growth of deer during the same years that CWD cases have continued to increase. How can that be if CWD is so deadly like we are told?
But again I still ask the question - where are all the dead deer, elk, and moose laying around in the CWD states with no sign of any physical injury? If CWD was as deadly as state agencies who benefit from federal funding to "combat CWD" say it is (see what I did there?) then surely we'd see dead deer and elk in 30+ states with no reason to be dead other than testing positive for CWD.
Wisconsin, I believe, still has the highest deer density in the country. And there are a lot of deer hunters. I think they're in the top 5 for hunting population so surely those hunters would be seeing dead deer in the woods. No?
If CWD was killing the deer like they say it is you'd have deer dying in subdivision yards as well that's running over with deer. You know some of those would be getting tested if they were dying like we're being told. It wouldn't only be where we hunt at which I've yet to see anyways.
If you're a serious hunter and get out and hunt and scout you can see the writing on the wall. It's not that difficult. It's like Faucci is running this show.
megalomaniac
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CWD is real.... but it takes several years to actually kill a deer. Plenty of time for deer to reproduce before they die from it. But they WILL die from it eventually. Most deer that die from it don't simply tip over on the side of the road... they are caught and killed by coyotes or hunters before end stage. Positives from hunters are easy to detect. Positives from coyote predation is next to impossible. Heck, I only find 2 or 3 skeletal remains a year on my farms.
megalomaniac
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The net effect is not necessarily a decline in population since it takes so long for deer to die from it... but rather a net shifting of age structure to being a couple years younger.
MidTennFisher
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If that is true, which I do not believe the effect is that bad, I still think that is better than recklessly wiping out several counties worth of deer herds like many states are doing.
megalomaniac
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Not everything is a hoax...
And the flip side is also true...
Since CWD was discovered, there have been only 4 cases of Jacob-Crutchfield disease (the human version of CWD) in humans aged 30y or younger. And guess what... 3 out of 4 of those were heavy consumers of deer and elk meat... WAY higher than the general population of regular venison consumers. Conspiracy theory- CWD was created by Bill Gates to reduce the human population and eliminate hunting.
In reality... there is no PROVEN transmission to humans from eating CWD infected meat. And even if you got it from infected meat, it would take 10 to 30 years to show symptoms. But since other spongiform prion diseases have been proven to transmit to humans (BSE or Mad Cow disease), it would be prudent to not knowingly consume meat from CWD infected animals.
And the flip side is also true...
Since CWD was discovered, there have been only 4 cases of Jacob-Crutchfield disease (the human version of CWD) in humans aged 30y or younger. And guess what... 3 out of 4 of those were heavy consumers of deer and elk meat... WAY higher than the general population of regular venison consumers. Conspiracy theory- CWD was created by Bill Gates to reduce the human population and eliminate hunting.
In reality... there is no PROVEN transmission to humans from eating CWD infected meat. And even if you got it from infected meat, it would take 10 to 30 years to show symptoms. But since other spongiform prion diseases have been proven to transmit to humans (BSE or Mad Cow disease), it would be prudent to not knowingly consume meat from CWD infected animals.
megalomaniac
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Agree completely... especially since the net effect of wiping out animals accomplishes NOTHING. BUT, I'm all in favor of banning exportation of animals from CWD endemic areas to other areas without CWD.
