CVA launches a Smokeless Muzzleloader

[jlanecr500]

CVA has launched 2 smokeless muzzleloaders.

https://bpioutdoors.com/cva/muzzleloaders/endura/
Use manual
https://bpioutdoors.com/content/manuals/Endura Manual FINAL(1).pdf

 

[Antler Daddy]

10.25 lbs!

 

[jlanecr500]

The Endura Pro is less than 9 pounds. The Endura LRH is 10.25 pounds. The Heavy barrel is for safety incase double loaded.

 

[Smokyrider]

Wish it came in .50 so I could use it for elk in Colorado.

 

[megalomaniac]

Wish it came in .50 so I could use it for elk in Colorado.

Unless regulations have changed since i chased them with a ML, you can only use loose black powder or pyrodex in Colorado for ML... not smokeless, not even pyrodex pellets. No scopes either.

 

[Carlos Viagra]

Why does it cost so much more than a standard centerfire rifle?

 

[ADR]

Why does it cost so much more than a standard centerfire rifle?

I saw that and honestly thought they were saving up for the lawsuits to follow unfortunately

 

[Smokyrider]

Unless regulations have changed since i chased them with a ML, you can only use loose black powder or pyrodex in Colorado for ML... not smokeless, not even pyrodex pellets. No scopes either.

Blackhorn 209 can be used for muzzleloaders in Colorado and CVA states that this muzzleloader is "engineered specifically for Blackhorn 209" but alas .45 is only for mule deer in Colorado. Probably won't get drawn for elk for a couple more years so maybe a .50 will be available then, for now will just continue to use my regular CVA optima.
Someday I will get a smokeless, this one looks awesome.....

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

10.25 lbs!

Idiotic . One of the main reasons I would NEVER consider a custom smokeless MZ . No one was willing to build one in a sporter weight. Im not chasing these crazy speeds some of these bench shooters are trying to get. I need a hunting gun. Not a beanfield rifle.

With BH209 I can get reasonable good speeds and in a sporting rifle weight. CVA and even a Remington ML can hang in there up to 300 yards with the right scope. Good enough for most hunting applications.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

CVA has launched 2 smokeless muzzleloaders.

https://bpioutdoors.com/cva/muzzleloaders/endura/
Use manual
https://bpioutdoors.com/content/manuals/Endura Manual FINAL(1).pdf

As for.the price. The Savage ML2 is am seeing on the used market are not far off that price. And I am sure the MSRP of the CVA can be had for less. If the weight of these does not bother u. HAPPY hunting.

 

[jlanecr500]

As for.the price. The Savage ML2 is am seeing on the used market are not far off that price. And I am sure the MSRP of the CVA can be had for less. If the weight of these does not bother u. HAPPY hunting.

Ml II's get the job done and aren't terribly heavy. IMO, the way to go today is a short action rifle with either a 308 or magnum modules ignition system, a light sendero profile and a carbonfiber stock. Coming in around 8.5 to 9 pounds unscoped.
The pro model CVA is under 9 pounds so it's comparable. The load of imr4198 they are recommending is one that is safe in most every 45-70 conversion out there and they are also in the 8 pound range. The variflame ignition system is similar in performance to module systems as of late but there is nothing to positively extract the module if it sticks in the plug as the module is only magnetically attached to the boltface. With a true module ignition system, the module slips into a slotted bolt face and is extracted positively.

I didn't start this thread to promote the guns. It's nice to see a major manufacturer in the game again, and with some nice features to boot.

I've got plenty of sml's from mild to wild, from light to exceedingly heavy and all points in between. This season, including draw hunts, I'll be carrying an sml from Oct 23rd thru Nov 30th and not a single one will need cleaning when it's all said and done. Some might call me an idiot (my username on another forum is "educatedidiot") but I sure do enjoy it.

 

[Andy S.]

Good info Jerry, thanks for sharing.

 

[backyardtndeer]

Got an email from cva on them yesterday, might be interested in the pro version if it were priced right, but then my accura v2 does all I need it to..

 

[Smo]

Marketing…..

 

[Quiver]

I dont know why everyone drinks the the smokeless MZ gun koolaid. My partner (a gunsmith and reloading chemist) and I have been shooting V. N120 in 2 regular BP MZ for 20 years. Cheaper to shoot, better accuracy, and (why I changed) no cleaning.

 

[mike243]

So you stated you don't know why folks like smokeless muzzle loaders then gave the reasons that they do , is your buddy Randy Wakeman? lot of proclaimed experts on stuff. Loosing fingers and hands and eyes ain't worth shooting powder in a gun not made for it. Hope nobody reads this and attempts it.

 

[CHRIS WILSON]

10.25 lbs!

I had the same thought.

 

[Antler Daddy]

I had the same thought.

my savage is like 8 lbs without scope and it is heavy!

 

[Johnboy19]

Why does it cost so much more than a standard centerfire rifle?

They try to take advantage of hunters. Who could afford one. I'll stick with my optima v2 and tripple 7 3fff.

 

[M T Pockets 000]

I am kinda fond of my CVA Hunter 45/70 sml conversion.

 

[vonb]

I dont know why everyone drinks the the smokeless MZ gun koolaid. My partner (a gunsmith and reloading chemist) and I have been shooting V. N120 in 2 regular BP MZ for 20 years. Cheaper to shoot, better accuracy, and (why I changed) no cleaning.

I'm curious to see the pressure traces on your load using N120 compared to plain old BP.

 

[Dennis]

I'm curious to see the pressure traces on your load using N120 compared to plain old BP.

And compared to the max pressure spec of the muzzleloader

 

[Quiver]

I get good groups with 50 grains with 2000fps. I think 3 pellets usually give more than that.

 

[GMB54]

No one was willing to build one in a sporter weight.

Sure they do. Its called a Patriot Rifle and my NULA 50cal 26" is under 8lbs ready to rock. They made them years ago using a model 20 action. I can launch a 275gr Parker at over 2400fps with 58gr of N120.
https://www.woodmanarms.com/

 

[MUP]

Sure they do. Its called a Patriot Rifle and my NULA 50cal 26" is under 8lbs ready to rock. They made them years ago using a model 20 action. I can launch a 275gr Parker at over 2400fps with 58gr of N120.
https://www.woodmanarms.com/

Good to see you back GMB54.

 

[Mr. Hawk]

Anyone buy one of these new CVA's?

 

[Doskil]

I dont know why everyone drinks the the smokeless MZ gun koolaid. My partner (a gunsmith and reloading chemist) and I have been shooting V. N120 in 2 regular BP MZ for 20 years. Cheaper to shoot, better accuracy, and (why I changed) no cleaning.

Why when many states allow cartridge rifles now or folks can still use their crossbow or bow?

Buy a crossbow and hunt all through both seasons. Seeing lots of crossbows being bought nowadays

Lots of options for hunters, which is good