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Why do we need high powered rifles at night? I'd shoot a 17 or 22 mag. Its funny to me that some people cannot trust a law abiding hunter to go out at night and hunt coyotes but when it comes to hogs it's a free for all. Where does this make any sense?
Great questions! We are sitting over corn piles year around at night and there is more big ole bucks running around every year. Cheaters are gonna cheat whether or not hunters are legally hunting yotes, hogs or coons at night. If you have law abiding people out there at night the scumbags are the first ones to go.
 
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In TN we can hunt coyotes 365 days per yr, with any weapon, with no limit on harvest. We can pursue them at night, via trapping. Its not lack of hunter opportunity leading to our coyote problems. Its that hunters do not learn how to effectively hunt them or sacrifice the time deer season to do so. It simply isnt a priority of most hunters
Not with any weapon all year long. According to the TN Hunting Guide, centerfire ammunition is not allowed during archery only and archery/muzzleloader only deer, elk, and bear seasons.
 
I think that would be a huge mistake. I was one of the original woodpile boys and we were killing truck loads of them way before it got cool to do so. They die just just fine with the sun shining. If our goal is to to preserve hunting opportunities and protect deer (hence the original motivation of this thread) then allowing men with spotlights and high powered rifles to hunt "coyotes" at night during the winter seems like a terrible and an iron clad alibi for every deer poacher in the county. Plus most areas of TN are just too fragmented and developed for night hunting with high power rifles because of the difficulty of Seeing what is behind what you are shooting at. It would be a wildlife officers worst nightmare


If they did do it…..it should be for landowners only and a set season at a time of the yr when bucks have shed!
Do you have any proof that any more poachers would out there than what is there now. Just maybe honest hunters at night may just turn them in or keep them away.
 
I think that would be a huge mistake. I was one of the original woodpile boys and we were killing truck loads of them way before it got cool to do so. They die just just fine with the sun shining. If our goal is to to preserve hunting opportunities and protect deer (hence the original motivation of this thread) then allowing men with spotlights and high powered rifles to hunt "coyotes" at night during the winter seems like a terrible and an iron clad alibi for every deer poacher in the county. Plus most areas of TN are just too fragmented and developed for night hunting with high power rifles because of the difficulty of Seeing what is behind what you are shooting at. It would be a wildlife officers worst nightmare


If they did do it…..it should be for landowners only and a set season at a time of the yr when bucks have shed!
This right here is the answer. If everyone is worried about coyotes they really need to learn to trap. By far the best way to get your mind to thi k you are making a difference when reality is you will never make a dent in the population.
 
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This right here is the answer. If everyone is worried about coyotes they really need to learn to trap. By far the best way to get your mind to thi k you are making a difference when reality is you will never make a dent in the population.
Unfortunately, this is correct. You will never make a dent in their population. The only answer is, provide as much tall-grass and thick-brush cover that you can. Coyotes prefer not to hunt in areas where they cannot see far, as they are eyesight hunters.
 
Do you have any proof that any more poachers would out there than what is there now. Just maybe honest hunters at night may just turn them in or keep them away.
You cant prove something that hasnt yet had the opportunity to happen, but i feel confident there would be wide spread abuse. And BTW, my comments are not genuinely mine, but actually borrowed from a wildlife officer that spoke at my schools CTE career day when one of the students asked why coyotes couldnt be hunted at night. He was a brilliant presenter who certainly opened my eyes up to the potential ramnifications of such a rule change. Makes me think TWRA has already assessed the risk.
 
Trapping is the only effective way to significantly reduce coyote numbers.
Hunting them may be fun, but it doesn't reduce their numbers like trapping.
Not even close.
Absolutely. And they can be used together. Kill day active coyotes with a gun…..catch the Call shy ones with steel traps or snares. Win, win and keep the country side quiet at night
 
Not with any weapon all year long. According to the TN Hunting Guide, centerfire ammunition is not allowed during archery only and archery/muzzleloader only deer, elk, and bear seasons.
You are correct. No hogs ir bear season in my area, but i believe if archery or muzzleloader is open they have to be taken with a rimfire or shotgun
 
You cant prove something that hasnt yet had the opportunity to happen, but i feel confident there would be wide spread abuse. And BTW, my comments are not genuinely mine, but actually borrowed from a wildlife officer that spoke at my schools CTE career day when one of the students asked why coyotes couldnt be hunted at night. He was a brilliant presenter who certainly opened my eyes up to the potential ramnifications of such a rule change. Makes me think TWRA has already assessed the risk.
You can prove it if you look outside of Tennessee. I don't know any other states that joins us right off that doesn't have a night season for them. Im sure theres one or two but many of them have a night season for yotes. Do they have these "widespread abuse" problems?
 
Trapping is the only effective way to significantly reduce coyote numbers.
Hunting them may be fun, but it doesn't reduce their numbers like trapping.
Not even close.
No it doesn't but hunting is supposed to be fun. I don't hunt hogs at night because i think my circle traps are a less effective means. I do it because its fun and it helps a little, especially after trapping.

Some hunters want to have more fun. That should be encouranged not discouraged.
 
You cant prove something that hasnt yet had the opportunity to happen, but i feel confident there would be wide spread abuse. And BTW, my comments are not genuinely mine, but actually borrowed from a wildlife officer that spoke at my schools CTE career day when one of the students asked why coyotes couldnt be hunted at night. He was a brilliant presenter who certainly opened my eyes up to the potential ramnifications of such a rule change. Makes me think TWRA has already assessed the risk.
Other words you don't know there would be anymore poaching than anytime. I trust my fellow hunters much more than you and some other do.
 
Trapping is the only effective way to significantly reduce coyote numbers.
Hunting them may be fun, but it doesn't reduce their numbers like trapping.
Not even close.
Trapping may be more effective than hunting them at night but some for different reasons can not trap them but could occasionally hunt them. Like me the lease I had was some way from home it be impossible to run traps every day like they should be but could go and hunt at night sometime.
 
Trapping is the only effective way to significantly reduce coyote numbers.
Hunting them may be fun, but it doesn't reduce their numbers like trapping.
Not even close.
I can guarantee without a dought that if a nuclear bomb were to wipe everything from the face of the earth the o ly thigs left would be coyotes and cockroaches
 
Last Saturday afternoon my son and myself were cleaning fish. I looked up and a yote was walking through my back yard. 40 yards from us. All I had was my 22 pocket pistol. I fired a couple of shots but of course didn't get close. I am glad my lab was inside at the time and Cheyenne wasn't there at the time.
 
BSK, what are your thoughts on the impact of the social hierarchy that shooting random coyotes may have?

I quit shooting them about 10 years ago and I see fewer than ever on our farm and fawn recruitment is strong the last few years.

I know it's anecdotal, but I used to kill multiple each year.
 
BSK, what are your thoughts on the impact of the social hierarchy that shooting random coyotes may have?

I quit shooting them about 10 years ago and I see fewer than ever on our farm and fawn recruitment is strong the last few years.

I know it's anecdotal, but I used to kill multiple each year.
Some data strongly supports the idea that if a primary pair of coyotes are killed, the group breaks up and reproduction actually increases.

And when you look at the best GPS-collar data available, you realized what a no-win situation kill/trapping coyotes really is. Only about 50% of the coyotes you see in a given area are "resident" coyotes. The other half are drifters. Kill the drifters and you've done nothing to reduce the local population. Kill the residents and the drifters take over and become residents.

About the only data I've seen that suggests you can have an impact on the coyotes' predation is to hit them hard just before the birth cycle of the prey animal you are concerned with. In essence, hit coyotes hard in late spring and you can reduce their impact on fawn and turkey poult predation temporarily (that year). But the coyote population quickly bounces back. So you would have to hit the 'yotes hard EVERY spring.
 
BSK, what are your thoughts on the impact of the social hierarchy that shooting random coyotes may have?

I quit shooting them about 10 years ago and I see fewer than ever on our farm and fawn recruitment is strong the last few years.

I know it's anecdotal, but I used to kill multiple each year.
It's like some people forget what extinction is…. Yes we can eliminate coyotes
 
Some data strongly supports the idea that if a primary pair of coyotes are killed, the group breaks up and reproduction actually increases.

And when you look at the best GPS-collar data available, you realized what a no-win situation kill/trapping coyotes really is. Only about 50% of the coyotes you see in a given area are "resident" coyotes. The other half are drifters. Kill the drifters and you've done nothing to reduce the local population. Kill the residents and the drifters take over and become residents.

About the only data I've seen that suggests you can have an impact on the coyotes' predation is to hit them hard just before the birth cycle of the prey animal you are concerned with. In essence, hit coyotes hard in late spring and you can reduce their impact on fawn and turkey poult predation temporarily (that year). But the coyote population quickly bounces back. So you would have to hit the 'yotes hard EVERY spring.
That makes sense.
 
You cant prove something that hasnt yet had the opportunity to happen, but i feel confident there would be wide spread abuse. And BTW, my comments are not genuinely mine, but actually borrowed from a wildlife officer that spoke at my schools CTE career day when one of the students asked why coyotes couldnt be hunted at night. He was a brilliant presenter who certainly opened my eyes up to the potential ramnifications of such a rule change. Makes me think TWRA has already assessed the risk.
Your absolutely correct, twra doesn't trust us to be able to do the right thing when pressured. Like the big buck at night thing. And that doesn't sit well with me.
 
It's like some people forget what extinction is…. Yes we can eliminate coyotes
I have seen a wide-area 48-year concerted effort to eradicate coyotes - including shooting, trapping and poisoning - that failed. In fact, 2 years after the eradication was ended, the 'yote population was right back to where it had started 50 years earlier. Coyotes move too far too fast to eradicate them.
 

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