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Andy S.

Andy S.

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I was out in my shop tonight doing inventory on reloading components when I decided to inspect the shells I had left over from last spring. They had been stored in an MTM plastic shell holder in my shop where the temperature varies from 30-35 in winter to maybe 90 in the summer at times. To my surprise, 5 of my HEVI-13 Magnum Blend loads has leaked out buffer, 2 leaking a lot and other 3 a little. I plan to make HEVI aware tomorrow and see what kind of customer service they have. :)

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Dang! I would have never thought of that happening. Hopefully they make it right. Thanks for sharing. I wonder if it was from the temperature changes from storage?
 
Checked my double X... Everything looks good. Thanks for the heads up


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Roost 1":j4ud5igt said:
Common problem... a little candle wax will take care of it. Nitro ammo is the worst.
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Remington nitro? Never noticed it. But will be on the lookout. Thanks!
 
Ouch. That shot is too expensive to be doing that.

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I thought leaking buffer was standard on hevi shot turkey loads. I had some jam up the magazine on my daughter's Mossberg pump one time and had to take it apart to unload it. I didn't think I'd ever get all that junk out of there.
 
AllOutdoors":1zoblczm said:
Roost 1":1zoblczm said:
Common problem... a little candle wax will take care of it. Nitro ammo is the worst.
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Remington nitro? Never noticed it. But will be on the lookout. Thanks!
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If you are shooting Remington Nitros this is the least of your worries. Worst patterning shells I've ever tested and I've never heard of them patterning well for anyone. But, if you like them that's all that matters.
 
Spurhunter":2szxj8ch said:
AllOutdoors":2szxj8ch said:
Roost 1":2szxj8ch said:
Common problem... a little candle wax will take care of it. Nitro ammo is the worst.
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Remington nitro? Never noticed it. But will be on the lookout. Thanks!
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If you are shooting Rwmington Nitros this is the least of your worries. Worst patterning shells I've ever tested and I've never heard of them patterning well for anyone. But, if you like them that's all that matters.
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I've had the crimp to separate more than that on MagBlends and actually lose some of the shot.

Good advice on doing a check now.
 
Roost 1":20zhja2x said:
Nitro ammo is the worst.
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Interesting you say that, I have never had Nitro ammo leak (used them many years), and even had five Nitro H517 shells stored in this same container. With that said, my good friend has had some Nitro shells do the same thing several years ago, and Nitro Ray blamed it on some bad glue. Ray made it right by sending my bud all new shells.
 
Uncle Jesse":1d8ke0v5 said:
I thought leaking buffer was standard on hevi shot turkey loads.
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You are probably correct, but this is the first I have ever had leak on me and I have used Magblends every season since they came out.
 
I've seen it happy also not on every box I get but several everyone I know that uses them does the same I thought it was normal. I've seen Nitro's do the same to (not Remington nitros)
 
Environ-Metal, Inc technical rep stated they used clear loctite adhesive to seal the shells. He offered to have UPS pick them up, then ship me some new ones, or I could just reseal them. I will probably go with the latter of the two since I will be loading my own TSS loads for this spring.
 
Andy S.":2g4ibbfz said:
Environ-Metal, Inc technical rep stated they used clear loctite adhesive to seal the shells. He offered to have UPS pick them up, then ship me some new ones, or I could just reseal them. I will probably go with the latter of the two since I will be loading my own TSS loads for this spring.
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I feel like for how much those cost their customer service should have simple been

"I'm sorry you bought our over priced but very nice shells and had issues. Please keep that box and allow us to send you a free one. Thank you for being a customer".

If you had that response I would consider buying. It bugs me when premium companies don't have top notch CS. That just further pushed me towards LB. Customer service rule #1 take care of the customers and the customers will take care of you. Even though they offered to replace it still had stipulations to return the other box first. That's petty when you consider customer retention on premium products. Sending you a free box would have probably made them more money in the long run.

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Hevi and nitro ammo company are both notorious for that. There were several people on another forum a few years back that quit shooting them cause of that. I don't shoot either but if I did I would reseal them as soon as I bought them to avoid the headache down the road

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Coldfusion":34qq5ie8 said:
I feel like for how much those cost their customer service should have simple been

"I'm sorry you bought our over priced but very nice shells and had issues. Please keep that box and allow us to send you a free one. Thank you for being a customer".

.......Sending you a free box would have probably made them more money in the long run.
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I agree 110%.
 
Carlos Viagra":3nk5r74g said:
"They had been stored in an MTM plastic shell holder in my shop where the temperature varies from 30-35 in winter to maybe 90 in the summer at times."

How come nobody's mentioned improper storage temperatures? You can't expect much more with those extremes. Don't take it the wrong way, but I believe that's added to the trouble here.
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You never rabbit or squirrel hunted in the snow or chase turkeys or doves in the heat? Myself wouldn't store them in a non controlled environment but that has zero to do with leaking buffer. Poor crimp and seal

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Carlos Viagra":2dmax9aq said:
"They had been stored in an MTM plastic shell holder in my shop where the temperature varies from 30-35 in winter to maybe 90 in the summer at times."

How come nobody's mentioned improper storage temperatures? You can't expect much more with those extremes. Don't take it the wrong way, but I believe that's added to the trouble here.
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It was mentioned in the 2nd post....as a question.
 
In my opinion it happens because they are putting too much shot in the hull.... The loads we have had issues with have been the heavier over 2 1/4oz of shot. I never had any trouble with the 2oz loads.
 
Andy S.":3vqx6m0w said:
Environ-Metal, Inc technical rep stated they used clear loctite adhesive to seal the shells. He offered to have UPS pick them up, then ship me some new ones, or I could just reseal them. I will probably go with the latter of the two since I will be loading my own TSS loads for this spring.
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That is good customer service. I'm still not spending all that money on shells when I can't shoot straight half the time. :oops:
 
have found the same issues with them! they changed the crimp this last year on the hevi-13's. Was very frustrating on an expensive shell
 
Carlos Viagra":18csvjtr said:
"How come nobody's mentioned improper storage temperatures? You can't expect much more with those extremes. Don't take it the wrong way, but I believe that's added to the trouble here.
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Valid point and fair assessment, thus why I mentioned it in my initial write up. Is there temperature guidelines on the box that states what temperatures the shells are to be stored at? If so, I must have missed them.
 
AllOutdoors":19hbmtp9 said:
I wonder if it was from the temperature changes from storage?
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Possibly, but I have lots of other shells (tons of 1 1/8 ounce light loads and several Nitro 2 7/16 ounce loads) that were stored in the same conditions for the same duration and they did not separate. Some of the light loads have been in there for 5+ years with the temperature fluctuating and they all look good. Point taken though, I will now store my higher priced shells in my climate controlled gun room from this point forward. Furthermore, I doubt I will purchase many more HEVI or Nitro loads as I have started hand loading my own turkey loads, which will NOT be stored out in my shop either. :-) I did not start this thread to bash Environ-Metal, but mainly to make others aware to check their shells before heading out.
 

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