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If you change dies from one brand to another how likely is the possibility of having to change loads. I was using lee dies when I first got my 243. Had them borrowed and finally got some rcbs. I done a few things to the gun and got a new stock. Loads that shot great before the new stock trigger still don't shoot well. I'll probably get it bedded after turkey season. But do the dies make that much of a difference that you may have to tweak a proven load.
 
I would imagine that your new stock has more to do with it, but neck tension from sizing/seating/crimping variances may be a factor. Seating depth can throw things for a loop if it is not adjusted to seat to the same OAL, or if you have a new lot of bullets with a different ogive, different powder/brass/primer, etc... Lots of possible variables, but if all else is the same I would definitely start with the stock before worrying about the dies
 
The old stock was in bad shape. I'm not ruling anything out at this point. Just wondered if changing dies could possibly change case capacity enough to make a difference. I'll probably end up checking the scope too ice ruled out the bases and rings. If I didn't like the rifle so much I'd get rid of it.
 
Bedding of the stock is more than likely the issue. Some minor fitting and inletting may be all that it needs. And just remember when it comes to accuracy, "ugly is as ugly does."
 
I put a new stock in one of my guns and it shoot from 1 1/2 to a 7/16 gun. Any changes to stock or going to make change it to shoot.
 
I've got the inletting pretty close to where it should be. I'm sure it's not perfect as I'm not a woodworker. I should probably back up and tell what I've done to the gun since I got it. Put a new trigger in it. It's an old mauser action and the two stage trigger sucked compared to the accutrigger that I'm used to. Put a bold trigger in it with a safety. Inletting for the safety and added bulk of the new trigger ruined the old stock. As I said. I'm not a wood worker and the stock wasn't perfect to start with. Before the trigger I got a few 3/4" groups. Buddy done the same. Put the new trigger in and everything is gone. Had my cousin look at it and as quick he took the action screws loose he said it needs to bedded. Got the action out and said the stock is toast. Wasn't really anything left to help with bedding compound. No big deal. Ordered a boyds and went to working it. The action fits into the new stock great. Put everything back together and went to the range. Went to zero the scope and ran out of adjustment on the left to right. No big deal. It was on paper. I could shoot for groups without being in the kill zone. Shot 9 shots and it was about 3". I have changed dies and the bullets I used are of different lots. They were old but bullets don't ruin. Price on one box was 7.?? And the other box was 13. Wish I could get them for that now. The scope that's on it is a leupold rifleman and has been on every gun I've owned since 2006. It's possible I've broke this scope. It's been abused. Just kinda frustrated cause I've tried a little of everything. Bedding it will happen. Just don't know when. If I had more knowledge I'd do it myself.
 
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Aren't the Leupold Riflemans friction adjust on the windage and elevation? I'd try another scope just for giggles. At this point it can't hurt.

As for bedding and stock fitment, if the barrel isn't free floated it needs to be (in most cases). Also, I would confirm that the magazine isn't binding in the stock.

Barrel needs to be completely cleaned of copper and probably hit with some JB Bore paste. Keep in mind as well that some guns don't do well with a hot barrel. 9 consecutive shots on a sporter contour barrel is a lot of heat.

And while bullets don't ruin, old bullets aren't of the same quality of modern manufactured bullets. Weigh 10 of the old ones and compare the deviation to 10 new ones. You'll be surprised.
 
I do wanna try another scope. Not for sure what you mean by friction adjust but it was shooting 4" to the right and wouldn't budge to go adjust right. The barrel is free floated and the 9 shots I took lasted about 45 minutes. I'd shoot 3 and go look at the results. The barrel has roughly 40 rounds since I cleaned it last. As far as the magazine and it not getting Iin a bind, I have no idea. It doesn't feel to be. But I don't wanna say that it isn't.
 
I'd not get too discouraged before the stock is glass bedded myself. You might get lucky sometimes just dropping a reciever into an off-the-shelf stock but it's not going to be near the perfect fit you get with epoxy such as Acra-Glass.

Also on the subject of stock fit, I was about to pull my hair out with a 98 Mauser project a few years ago. I got a real cheap synthetic stock and had to do a lot of "Gouging" (I won't dignify what I did to that stock by using the word "Inletting") and thought I had it to the functional level. I kept getting all sorts of eratic happenings until I finally noticed that the bolt handle was rubbing on the stock and not dropping all the way down into "Full Lock" position. This in turn ment that when the firing pin fell forward, it couldn't go it's full travel because it hit the rear cam ramp in the bolt body which tried to force the bolt to rotate around to where it should be. When I finally found what the problem was I felt like a real dummy. A couple of minutes with the ol' Dremel tool with a bit mroe "Gouging" and I had it up and running. Mine is a 270 with a real cheap barrel and it will dependably put 3 shots in under an inch. If you go to 5 shot groups without letting it cool, groups open up considerably but for hunting what difference does that make? :)
 
Hopefully after turkey season I can get it bedded. I had planned to do it regardless but I thought if it would shoot before I got it bedded I would enjoy it till then. Fortunately I've been busy chasing birds and haven't shot it in a few weeks. But I'm just trying to think and probably overthinking on most of it on what could change my loads. After it's bedded and it still doesn't shoot it's getting a new barrel. It's my mission to get it to shoot respectable groups.
 

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