Broad head help

[docg]

Need some broadhead advice. I've been shooting almost daily since July, but like an idiot, didn't shoot broadheads until last night. On the advice of my local archery shop and good online reviews, I bought some Toxic broadheads. The tech at the pro shop told me that he shoots them and they fly just like field points. With my setup, they don't hit anywhere near where my field points do, especially at longer ranges (25+ yards). I know I should have shot them sooner, but where should I go from here? I really want to shoot a fixed blade. Recommendations? :bash: :bash: I'm shooting a Matthews z7, 63#' 28 inch gold tip 400s.

 

[TboneD]

Sounds familiar. I assume your field points are grouping good at different ranges and the bow is square. Even so, I'd go with a reputable expandable this late in the game. I don't see how those Toxic heads could fly like a field point, but you'll probably have to re-sight in with any other fixed head as well. Can't go wrong with Muzzy three or four blade heads, and they're cheap. I'd use tape to sight in your elevation and left/right separately.


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[Dbllunger]

If your broadheads are grouping consistently but just different than the field points, then just reset your sights for the broad heads. Next year when you have more time, make sure your bow is tuned properly and if that doesn't alleviate the problem then experiment with different heads.

I personally have shot NAP Killzone mechanical heads for about three years now after shooting Rage for 4 years prior to that. They both shoot very well out of my bow (Z7X almost identical to yours) but the Killzones wont inadvertently open in your quiver and are much more durable.

 

[gobblinfool]

What Dbllunger said.....the only question I have for you is....do the blades perfectly line up with the vanes/feathers.....if they don't, then they wont group....if you already knew this, forgive me!

 

[jd1983]

Sounds like your bow is out of tune assuming the broad heads are hitting consistently. If it were me, I'd hit the range and go through the process of getting my field points and broad heads to the same point of impact. That will give you better arrow flight and allow you to shoot just about any fixed blade well. I'll usually have 3 - 5 different heads all shooting the same in a given season. Don't worry about lining up the fletching and blades as that has no real impact on arrow flight.

 

[Remington742]

I shoot the same arrows and length arrows and Thunderhead's fly good for me.

 

[muddyboots]

I have never had a fixed head hit where my field points did. When I shot fixed heads if they fly good just reset the sights. Swhacker man now. They hit same as field points.

 

[UTGrad]

I'll go out on a limb and say go get some Grim Reaper mechanicals...don't get the 2" Whitetail Specials. Get the 1 3/8" Grim Reaper Razortips.

I'd recommend you broadhead tune but at this point its too close to season to start boogering everything up so just go buy some 1 3/8" Grim Reaper Razortips and go hunt.

 

[bowhunter163]

I have never had a fixed head hit where my field points did. When I shot fixed heads if they fly good just reset the sights. Swhacker man now. They hit same as field points.

I am shooting 3 different fixed blades and 2 mechanicals that all have the same POI inside of 60 yards .

With the right arrow and bow tuning you can get any fixed blade to fly like a field point .

 

[UTGrad]

What Dbllunger said.....the only question I have for you is....do the blades perfectly line up with the vanes/feathers.....if they don't, then they wont group....if you already knew this, forgive me!

This is not true...sorry.

I've been able to get excellent flight with broadheads that didn't line up with my fletch.

 

[LanceS4803]

What Dbllunger said.....the only question I have for you is....do the blades perfectly line up with the vanes/feathers.....if they don't, then they wont group....if you already knew this, forgive me!

This is not true...sorry.
I've been able to get excellent flight with broadheads that didn't line up with my fletch.

Plus, what happens when you shoot a 4-blade broadhead and have 3 vanes?

 

[TboneD]

I have never had a fixed head hit where my field points did. When I shot fixed heads if they fly good just reset the sights. Swhacker man now. They hit same as field points.

I am shooting 3 different fixed blades and 2 mechanicals that all have the same POI inside of 60 yards .

With the right arrow and bow tuning you can get any fixed blade to fly like a field point .

That's downright amazing.


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[UTGrad]

What Dbllunger said.....the only question I have for you is....do the blades perfectly line up with the vanes/feathers.....if they don't, then they wont group....if you already knew this, forgive me!

This is not true...sorry.
I've been able to get excellent flight with broadheads that didn't line up with my fletch.

Plus, what happens when you shoot a 4-blade broadhead and have 3 vanes?

Nothing happens if the Broadhead and arrow spin true and the bow is tuned. I shoot Slick Tricks which are a 4 blade head. They hit with my field points.

 

[Pinwheeled]

I have never had a fixed head hit where my field points did. When I shot fixed heads if they fly good just reset the sights. Swhacker man now. They hit same as field points.

I am shooting 3 different fixed blades and 2 mechanicals that all have the same POI inside of 60 yards .

With the right arrow and bow tuning you can get any fixed blade to fly like a field point .

That's downright amazing.


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No, it's proper tuning.

There is a lot of bad advice in this thread.


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[AllOutdoors]

What Dbllunger said.....the only question I have for you is....do the blades perfectly line up with the vanes/feathers.....if they don't, then they wont group....if you already knew this, forgive me!

This is not true...sorry.

I've been able to get excellent flight with broadheads that didn't line up with my fletch.

Shot muzzy 3 blades for years and killed a slew of deer and yores. One blade between the fetching was money.

 

[docg]

Thanks for all the help and advice. I'm sure it is a bow tuning issue. The bow was professionally tuned in June, but I don't doubt that it is out a little. That being said, I had on old pack of Muzzy 3 blades in my archery stuff. I screwed them in, lined up the blades with the vanes, and I'm hitting right on with field points. I still don't really understand why the toxics flew bad and the Muzzys good. I'm sure the toxics are great. I was really looking forward to shooting them. Oh well. Anybody want to buy a three pack of Toxics? Only one has been shot.

 

[DCOOK223]

Muzzy's are the ticket. Glad you got it figured out. Good luck

 

[TboneD]

Thanks for all the help and advice. I'm sure it is a bow tuning issue. The bow was professionally tuned in June, but I don't doubt that it is out a little. That being said, I had on old pack of Muzzy 3 blades in my archery stuff. I screwed them in, lined up the blades with the vanes, and I'm hitting right on with field points. I still don't really understand why the toxics flew bad and the Muzzys good. I'm sure the toxics are great. I was really looking forward to shooting them. Oh well. Anybody want to buy a three pack of Toxics? Only one has been shot.

How can it be out of tune if it's grouping Muzzys with your field points? If that's "a little out of tune" then I want mine a little out of tune...as long as I'm still slapping shafts and busting nocks. I'm not sold on those Toxics at all.


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[jd1983]

Hey doc, what do you mean by professionally tuned? Did they work with you while you shot? A bow needs to be tuned to the shooter so if you weren't there then there is work left to do. My guess as to why the toxics aren't flying as well as the Muzzy's would be increased surface area up front which then amplifies issues.

 

[Dbllunger]

Hey doc, what do you mean by professionally tuned? Did they work with you while you shot? A bow needs to be tuned to the shooter so if you weren't there then there is work left to do. My guess as to why the toxics aren't flying as well as the Muzzy's would be increased surface area up front which then amplifies issues.

Other than draw length, weight and kisser button/peep sight, how is the bow tuned to the shooter?

 

[UTGrad]

The grip

 

[jd1983]

Other than draw length, weight and kisser button/peep sight, how is the bow tuned to the shooter?

Not everyone holds and anchors a bow exactly the same.

 

[RockChucker30]

Broadhead tune:
Shoot a broadhead, shoot a field tip.
If BH is higher than FT, move rest down.
If BH is left of FT, move rest right.
Chase your FTs. Small movements in the rest produce big results.
If your form is clean and you only move based on good shots your BHs and FTs will start grouping together. When that happens adjust your sights to sight in.

I work in a bow shop, shoot slick tricks, and my BHs and FTs fly together out to 70+. (BH a little low at long range due to increased drag.)


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[Dbllunger]

Other than draw length, weight and kisser button/peep sight, how is the bow tuned to the shooter?

Not everyone holds and anchors a bow exactly the same.

What type of adjustments do you make for different anchor points? Or different grips? Sorry, but I'm looking for specific examples because I don't believe that to be the case.

A bow is a mechanical instrument/machine. If the parts are properly calibrated(tuned) and are functioning, then it is doing its job.

The shooter without proper form such as a tight grip, or torquing the grip or non repeatable anchor points is when problems occur and no amount of tuning will help that.

 

[Dbllunger]

Broadhead tune:
Shoot a broadhead, shoot a field tip.
If BH is higher than FT, move rest down.
If BH is left of FT, move rest right.
Chase your FTs. Small movements in the rest produce big results.
If your form is clean and you only move based on good shots your BHs and FTs will start grouping together. When that happens adjust your sights to sight in.




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This I understand and agree completely

 

[RockChucker30]

Broadhead tuning flat works, but it's a pain in the butt sometimes. The rest can be so out of whack that you have to move it opposite of what the shots indicate. Experience and judgement help. Takes patience too. Always remember that if its not getting better you may need to go the other way.


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[UTGrad]

Other than draw length, weight and kisser button/peep sight, how is the bow tuned to the shooter?

Not everyone holds and anchors a bow exactly the same.

What type of adjustments do you make for different anchor points? Or different grips? Sorry, but I'm looking for specific examples because I don't believe that to be the case.

A bow is a mechanical instrument/machine. If the parts are properly calibrated(tuned) and are functioning, then it is doing its job.

The shooter without proper form such as a tight grip, or torquing the grip or non repeatable anchor points is when problems occur and no amount of tuning will help that.

Actually you can take someone with less than perfect form and tune the bow to them. As long as their poor form is consistent, you can make adjustments within the system to get them close.

 

[Dbllunger]

Actually you can take someone with less than perfect form and tune the bow to them. As long as their poor form is consistent, you can make adjustments within the system to get them close.

Can you give a specific example?

 

[UTGrad]

Actually you can take someone with less than perfect form and tune the bow to them. As long as their poor form is consistent, you can make adjustments within the system to get them close.

Can you give a specific example?

Sure can...look at Reo Wilde, one of the best archers in tournament history. His form is considered by many to be awkward and not technically sound but he is so dang consistent and talented he's one of the best.

You tune the bow to the archer...I would not want someone else to shoot my bow for me and tune it. They might have slight variations in their palm pressure against the riser, a different shoulder angle at full draw and the list goes on and on.

If someone with less than perfect form repeat it shot after shot....you can tune the bow for them.

 

[UTGrad]

I have an example. Matt at Energy Wave spent time yoke tuning my Hoyt to my form. He got it to where I could shoot a perfect tear through paper.

Matt decided to try my bow and he got a left tear through paper...handed it back to me and I got a perfect tear.

There was enough variation in my form vs Matt's to create a change in arrow flight off the string.