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<blockquote data-quote="DaveTN" data-source="post: 5577782" data-attributes="member: 3052"><p>I disagree. That picture appears to be at 7 yards or less. That's shows the shooters ability and says very little about the gun accuracy. At 7 yards that should be one ragged hole with most any quality handgun. At 25 yards a quality, full size (Duty Size) handgun, in the hands of a Marksman, can produce groups of 2.5" and under.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind we aren't talking about accuracy that is "good enough" for carry, that assumes you know what distance you will be able to take a shot at. We are talking about determining the accuracy of a specific handgun, not the ability of the shooter.</p><p></p><p>There is a constant argument about barrel length on hunting and gun forums. You have one side that that wants very short barrels, on handguns for concealability, and on rifles for weight. The other side wants every inch of barrel length they can get because they know it effects accuracy and sight radius. I'm of the latter, I know that barrel length absolutely impacts accuracy. But barrel length in the 2.5" to 5" comparison impacts concealability (for me) very little. Grip length, or gun height, and thickness, have the greatest impact on concealability for me.</p><p></p><p>So since I had never seen the Sig 365 XMACRO I went to their website to take a look at it. As I said above the video about it is mainly trying to compare it to a full size gun. Mainly because it pretty much is. It has nearly the height and width of a full size, but with the barrel loped off at about 3".</p><p></p><p>However, I found a review on this gun and the author claims groups of 1.8 to 3.2" at 25 yards. (I threw out the best and worst from the chart below). Even off a rest that's pretty darn impressive for a 3" barrel. My Shield is a 3" barrel and I wouldn't expect those kind of numbers at 25 yards. Of course, it's a belly gun and I have never even tried to see what it can group. 10 yards, point instinct, and it hits center body mass and I'm good. However, I wouldn't compare my Shield in this category. I would compare my M&P40 M2.0 Compact 4" or even my Full size M&P 40. Either would be almost as concealable as that Sig, in my opinion. A full size gun might be called on to take out a threat at a much greater distance in a crowd (Church?) and must be up for the task.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/cfyRjhT.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/sig-p365-xmacro/467525[/URL]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DaveTN, post: 5577782, member: 3052"] I disagree. That picture appears to be at 7 yards or less. That's shows the shooters ability and says very little about the gun accuracy. At 7 yards that should be one ragged hole with most any quality handgun. At 25 yards a quality, full size (Duty Size) handgun, in the hands of a Marksman, can produce groups of 2.5" and under. Keep in mind we aren't talking about accuracy that is "good enough" for carry, that assumes you know what distance you will be able to take a shot at. We are talking about determining the accuracy of a specific handgun, not the ability of the shooter. There is a constant argument about barrel length on hunting and gun forums. You have one side that that wants very short barrels, on handguns for concealability, and on rifles for weight. The other side wants every inch of barrel length they can get because they know it effects accuracy and sight radius. I'm of the latter, I know that barrel length absolutely impacts accuracy. But barrel length in the 2.5" to 5" comparison impacts concealability (for me) very little. Grip length, or gun height, and thickness, have the greatest impact on concealability for me. So since I had never seen the Sig 365 XMACRO I went to their website to take a look at it. As I said above the video about it is mainly trying to compare it to a full size gun. Mainly because it pretty much is. It has nearly the height and width of a full size, but with the barrel loped off at about 3". However, I found a review on this gun and the author claims groups of 1.8 to 3.2" at 25 yards. (I threw out the best and worst from the chart below). Even off a rest that's pretty darn impressive for a 3" barrel. My Shield is a 3" barrel and I wouldn't expect those kind of numbers at 25 yards. Of course, it's a belly gun and I have never even tried to see what it can group. 10 yards, point instinct, and it hits center body mass and I'm good. However, I wouldn't compare my Shield in this category. I would compare my M&P40 M2.0 Compact 4" or even my Full size M&P 40. Either would be almost as concealable as that Sig, in my opinion. A full size gun might be called on to take out a threat at a much greater distance in a crowd (Church?) and must be up for the task. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/cfyRjhT.jpg[/IMG] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/sig-p365-xmacro/467525[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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