Bating license in the news
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7-22
DoubleRidge
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Goes on sale 7-22....guess this answers the question of will people be able to bait during the velvet hunt?...yes...and in the article the writer also mentions:
"TWRA says baiting wildlife can increase the spread of diseases including chronic wasting disease, bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis.
Officials also warn that bait can attract unwanted wildlife such as raccoons, feral hogs and black bears while poor-quality grain can be harmful to other species, including wild turkeys and quail".
(One example of poor-quality would be uncertified and that with aflatoxins).
But I'm sure that walmart big buck corn and TSC golden nugget is top shelf stuff.
We on TNdeer want to argue about a 1 buck, 2 buck or 3 buck limit and talk about what does and doesnt make "biological sense"....well this baiting bill makes no biological sense....ridiculous.
"TWRA says baiting wildlife can increase the spread of diseases including chronic wasting disease, bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis.
Officials also warn that bait can attract unwanted wildlife such as raccoons, feral hogs and black bears while poor-quality grain can be harmful to other species, including wild turkeys and quail".
(One example of poor-quality would be uncertified and that with aflatoxins).
But I'm sure that walmart big buck corn and TSC golden nugget is top shelf stuff.
We on TNdeer want to argue about a 1 buck, 2 buck or 3 buck limit and talk about what does and doesnt make "biological sense"....well this baiting bill makes no biological sense....ridiculous.
Atchman2
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Hmm, I thought you needed a permit for every property you hunt? It seems that you need just one license to cover it, but everyone that hunts the property needs a license?
Regardless of whether you like the law or not, requiring a person that OWNS their own property to buy one seems nuts. You spend thousands and millions of dollars to buy property and the government wants you to spend more to do something on your own property.
The other thing is this. Seemingly things like having hog exemptions are benign. However, it allows TWRA to come on your property (probably without a warrant since you signed up). I'm not saying that they are evil or anything, it is just you gave up your property rights and the right to privacy because you wanted to shoot the hogs that are in your backyard legally. After you have spent a million dollars on the property you always wanted so you could have privacy.
Regardless of whether you like the law or not, requiring a person that OWNS their own property to buy one seems nuts. You spend thousands and millions of dollars to buy property and the government wants you to spend more to do something on your own property.
The other thing is this. Seemingly things like having hog exemptions are benign. However, it allows TWRA to come on your property (probably without a warrant since you signed up). I'm not saying that they are evil or anything, it is just you gave up your property rights and the right to privacy because you wanted to shoot the hogs that are in your backyard legally. After you have spent a million dollars on the property you always wanted so you could have privacy.
BSK
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I don't think many people who are concerned about the welfare of the deer population would argue with you. But the law wasn't passed for biological reasons. It is some legislator's personal pet project.
I wonder if the people who have been baiting all along will rush out and buy the permit. For some reason I doubt they will.
Nope !!! Why would they? They can't come on yout property without a warrant so how are they going to police it ?
Most people here already baited and they are all saying they aren't buying a permit to do what they already do.
I feel like this whole baiting permit thing is going to be a huge failure.
TNGunsmoke
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It says a lot about the intelligence of the people we have in charge.
That's the problem. How are they going to get caught? Officers can no longer come onto private property without a warrant. Not that I think they should but that's the law. If the people that have always been baiting illegally, they are still going to do it. They'd be stupid to buy a permit.
BSK
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I'll have to ask some of the clubs I work with how they're going to handle it.
Either all agree to buy permit
Or it will be illegal on lease
quackaholic
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I wonder about private involving in the bear reserves? Not so much about baiting, because I could care less one way or the other. But about the warden able to access without permission from a landowner.
Flintlocksforme
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Doesn't apply to me in west TN. I'd rather shoot bonus bucks than bait anyway. Do you think that there is going to be a question added to the online check in. " Did you harvest this deer over bait?"
Wrangler95
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I hunt private land but I am not the only hunter on the property, so if they pu4chàse a permit it will force me to also get one I think.
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That's how I understand it. I've wondered if this new bill isn't somehow related to or in response to that court ruling. Does buying the permit give defacto permission for enforcement? Or possibly does baiting now carry a different crime classification by not purchasing a permit? There's a play somewhere or else TWRA would have put up a much bigger fight, IMO. I don't know exactly what, just speculating. But I think there's a lot to learn yet.
deerhunter10
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Yeah thats not happening in the heat of the summer either, and also is spread out usually over several acres. Id also like to know how many actually do this as growing an acre of corn cost around 6 to 800 dollars an acre depending on fertilizer and pesticides practices.
We argued to no end about baiting and it still went through. And now TWRA wants to post warnings? Makes a preacher want to cuss. The management and biologists at TWRA should have been screaming these warnings from the rooftops BEFORE the bill ever caught traction in the first place.
DoubleRidge
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MrJim43
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Real funny story .................The man checked in the deer at the processor..the guy processing the deer found a gut full of corn..just so happens a game warden standing at processors place checking....who checked it in and from what area,,, there are no corn fields in that area...lets see the paper work I want to talk to that person. Well.......!!!!!
It will start an argument within clubs....ask me how I know . Might not on a small members club but when you have quite a few members most anything can be a problem . Best way to handle new things coming up is to have a club meeting before season and bring all things to a vote and put the new rules in the bylaws firsthand .
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Should been field dressed!
megalomaniac
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To be fair, I don't really think TWRA (or any of us on TNDeer for that matter) actually thought the state legislature would actually pass the baiting bill.
Once it did pass, TWRA was left scrambling figuring out how to implement it.
I would have preferred language specifying that bait had to placed off the ground in troughs or in suspended feeders that allowed only so much bait as could be consumed in a day dispensed onto the ground. I would have also preferred to see that bait cannot be placed within 100 yards of a property line.
Piling up the bait on the ground (25lbs max I think under the baiting permit), attracting predators to baiting sites, and multiplying the raccoon population are where the majority of problems related to baiting come from.
