Are you killing deer on your ability or someone elses

[hornsdonteat]

Not to get in anyones feelings just want to here your imput,A few years ago i was in a lease that they would hang latter stands in the summer and say this is my spot "thats fine" Come hunting season they would often hang more latter stands over oaks and say that was also their spot" I was also fine with that" I spent countless hours in the woods with a bow and scouting. I hunt out of a portable API and actually seen 42 deer from a tree the last weekend of archery and killed 4 deer. I could not hunt the first half of the ML season but left my stand hanging because of the walk. When i returned to my stand a latter stand was 10 yards from my portable and club members told me several deer including a mature buck was taken there earlier in week , I however hunted 3 days and did not see a deer,I replied yall hang all these stands and say this is your spot and i've respected that but my stand will fit most trees on this farm so i own the whole farm yal can go to the house.Well needless to say i got out and joined another lease but they also want to know exactly where your hunting ,they don't want you to put any mineral sights out without them knowing about it and exactly where. Guys i spend the time in the woods walking my boot soles off not for the guy sitting on the couch to wait for me to start hunting a area so he"ll know what area to go hunt :bash: :smash:Guess i just needed to vent a little :poke: Just want to here your thoughts!!

 

[Mike Belt]

Where I hunt there is no such thing as "reserving" a spot. At the same time I sort of see it. If you're a "freshman" in a club there may be people that have been there for a while already. They started out as a freshman also and probably had to find a "new" spot to hunt since seniority prevailed at that time as well. They found one that maybe they were successful in and continued hunting that spot yearly. A new freshman comes in and hangs a stand within feet of where they've hunted for years now. That's probably going to create friction. I don't, however, see where anyone has the right to claim the entire lease. I also don't see the need to know where you place mineral licks unless it may interfere with any legitimate club camera census, etc.

 

[hornsdonteat]

Where I hunt there is no such thing as "reserving" a spot. At the same time I sort of see it. If you're a "freshman" in a club there may be people that have been there for a while already. They started out as a freshman also and probably had to find a "new" spot to hunt since seniority prevailed at that time as well. They found one that maybe they were successful in and continued hunting that spot yearly. A new freshman comes in and hangs a stand within feet of where they've hunted for years now. That's probably going to create friction. I don't, however, see where anyone has the right to claim the entire lease. I also don't see the need to know where you place mineral licks unless it may interfere with any legitimate club camera census, etc.

I'm with you only reason I'd say my stand will fit any tree is because they actually went looking for where i was hunting after saying this is my spot.I wasn't the one reserving anything but i respected their rules as far as the other club I'm the only one with a trail cam out or doing any scouting.If one finds the sign im hunting and beats me there so be it.But i dont think you should know my exact stand location /mineral sight ect so you do no scouting just head for my stand

 

[TN Whitetail Freak]

Hunt wmas and go deep lol Major League Deer Hunting 101 ...all jk aside I would feel the same way...the hell with seniority if im invested in equal then my use of the land is to....you get burned on the first spot but voice your opinion sternly and let it be known you don't appreciate it....

 

[hornsdonteat]

Hunt wmas and go deep lol Major League Deer Hunting 101 ...all jk aside I would feel the same way...the hell with seniority if im invested in equal then my use of the land is to....you get burned on the first spot but voice your opinion sternly and let it be known you don't appreciate it....

I agree man theres a reason im seeing deer or killing deer and they are not its called scouting and 1200 hundred acre with only one access 8 people is large enough for you to do some serious walking let along scouting.I agree if i pay my dues i paid for 1200 acres not part wether it be my first year or 20th but i will say if i know you are hunting a particuliar area i want be there and if this was the case i"d understand but thats not the case its more like i"ll just hunt where he does

 

[7mminatree]

Hunt wmas and go deep lol Major League Deer Hunting 101 ...all jk aside I would feel the same way...the hell with seniority if im invested in equal then my use of the land is to....you get burned on the first spot but voice your opinion sternly and let it be known you don't appreciate it....

^^^this, since I hunt the CNF I don't see any other hunters, but don't see a high number of deer either. But as to your problem, I say get you a few el-cheapo ladder stands and hang-em before the K-mart cowboys do. I know with that amount of acreage you have some spots in mind. When they push you shove, I mean, you can play that game also. Or, it's time to come up with a binding set of rules that are fair.

 

[hornsdonteat]

Hunt wmas and go deep lol Major League Deer Hunting 101 ...all jk aside I would feel the same way...the hell with seniority if im invested in equal then my use of the land is to....you get burned on the first spot but voice your opinion sternly and let it be known you don't appreciate it....

^^^this, since I hunt the CNF I don't see any other hunters, but don't see a high number of deer either. But as to your problem, I say get you a few el-cheapo ladder stands and hang-em before the K-mart cowboys do. I know with that amount of acreage you have some spots in mind. When they push you shove, I mean, you can play that game also. Or, it's time to come up with a binding set of rules that are fair.

I"ve decided they write them as they go but im not beyond puttn a stand 100 yards from there since im the one with the pics and know a little bit about the direction of travel but we all know a deer does odd things sometimes and they are no guarentee no matter what you think you have figured out they have a way to surprise you every time.First you"ve got get out of bed to kill one and i know they are by far a great number of deer killed by people blind ,I am one that likes to increase my odds however and put the hours in leg wise to know where i might want a stand.Someones always jealous over anothers sucess but for me i"m grateful to just enjoy what god has given to opportunity to do

 

[MUP]

Where I hunt, I own the property, so all I have to worry about is poachers and trespassers shooting the state wards that may potentially cross my land. :)

 

[hornsdonteat]

Where I hunt, I own the property, so all I have to worry about is poachers and trespassers shooting the state wards that may potentially cross my land. :)

yes we all dream of someday owning that one piece of property :lol:

 

[MUP]

Yea, owning your own land is definitely not the "fix all" answer to perfect management for dern sure. ;)

 

[280longshot]

I wish you well in finding a club that has a set of rules that they abide to. I have been in several clubs and even the 3 stand rule got severely abused with members having out as many as 15 stands saying that is my spot. We had some slackers in the club I hunted two years ago, club rule was you can hunt anyone' stand, problem was several slackers were hunting my stands and only my stands. I would hunt them only to find a soda bottle left and the tell tell sign of a lazy hunter.
I'm in a very good club now with some buddies that all share a common goal and common respect for each other.
Good luck with your club. If I could only win the lottery.

 

[hornsdonteat]

I wish you well in finding a club that has a set of rules that they abide to. I have been in several clubs and even the 3 stand rule got severely abused with members having out as many as 15 stands saying that is my spot. We had some slackers in the club I hunted two years ago, club rule was you can hunt anyone' stand, problem was several slackers were hunting my stands and only my stands. I would hunt them only to find a soda bottle left and the tell tell sign of a lazy hunter.
I'm in a very good club now with some buddies that all share a common goal and common respect for each other.
Good luck with your club. If I could only win the lottery.

amen to the lottery :pop: I"m waiting might need to buy more pop corn :rotf:

 

[Vermin93]

Having good chemistry among lease members is so important. The group I'm with has been really good for the most part. The lease manager has done a good job of keeping most everyone happy. We each have our own areas and then there is quite a bit of common ground that anyone can use. This past season I took one deer in my area and a second deer in one of the common areas.

 

[Bowdacious]

What they did was wrong. If they have spots reserved, they need to hunt them and not stalk you because you are successful

 

[hornsdonteat]

Having good chemistry among lease members is so important. The group I'm with has been really good for the most part. The lease manager has done a good job of keeping most everyone happy. We each have our own areas and then there is quite a bit of common ground that anyone can use. This past season I took one deer in my area and a second deer in one of the common areas.

I don't really have problems with anyone or prop manager except giving gps coordinates to my stand location :o "WHAT" :twisted:

 

[TN Whitetail Freak]

It all boils down to whether or not your gonna grow a pair......and I don't mean no disrespect by that.....hell your a huntin fool and if was me I'd throw cheetos at them scavengers

 

[hornsdonteat]

It all boils down to whether or not your gonna grow a pair......and I don't mean no disrespect by that.....hell your a huntin fool and if was me I'd throw cheetos at them scavengers

:rotf: :rotf: :tu: I'm still laughing but agreeing 100% :super:

 

[muddyboots]

Part of hunting a lease is fooling members as much as the deer.

 

[muddyboots]

I actually kind of enjoy it.

 

[Winchester]

I hunt a mix of public and private and have been on and managed many leases over the years. Managing the people is definitely a big part of the problem, which I have learned to solve by only asking or joining with like minded hunters when possible.

 

[hornsdonteat]

No internet switched carriers and now waiting on utilities to mark elec and gas lol

 

[BSK]

Managing the people is definitely a big part of the problem, which I have learned to solve by only asking or joining with like minded hunters when possible.

Winchester,

Because I'm asked how to do this all the time, how do you find the "like-minded hunters"?

 

[Grill-n-man]

2 most important things about a lease. 1 is if your the new guy then finding a spot that is not "claimed" can be hard. Take the members of a lease on an average scale and you are guaranteed 3 kinds of hunters - the ones that put the time and work in to find a couple spots to hunt, ones that go in a put up stands/shooting houses all over claiming spots, and ones that watch you to see where you go and watch what you see/kill then move in. 2 is the most important, on a lease each member pays the same and has the same right to hunt anyplace on the lease that the others do. Now here is the kicker, when do you cross the line of maturity and respect in regards to a spot. After many years of vulture hunters and the put up as many stands/shooting houses as you can afford "claiming" spots hunters I am fortunate to be on a very good lease for the last several years. A lot of us know where the other likes to hunt and respect that. Notice I said respect not that claim has been laid. Example I have 2 ladder stands up not 70 yards apart and in a place that has good deer movement. Its set up so its easy to get to with my wife and or 7 year old with me. On the way I pass 3 stands that another member put up for him and his family members that he says I can hunt anytime and mine to him likewise, but out of respect for the others time/work we don't. I will tell you a little trick to fool the vultures stop hunting from stands and hunt from the ground. All you need is a cushion and/or fold up stool and never leave behind evidence of where you sit. Mother nature provides plenty of cover. Or set them up good. Put up a stand and most likely they will swoop in as vultures do then set up to cut them off or along the outside perimeter where they push/spook deer to. Lease hunting can be difficult but the idea of ownership, lack of maturity, and most importantly the lack of respect makes it more difficult. Good luck spent many a dollar and years leasing until I found a good one.

 

[MUP]

Never been on a lease myself. So, you have to divulge the location of every stand you set?

 

[Mike Belt]

When I leased 4000+ acres in Hardeman County we didn't have a system set up for designating where a hunter was in one of his own portable stands. Usually it was word of mouth before we left camp. The club stands (tower stands) were all designated by number and the hunter's name was placed on that corresponding number prior to hunting. That was first come, first served and you couldn't take it home with you reserving it for the next day's hunt. We didn't have to divulge stand locations but in talking with other hunters possibly in the same area we always knew where the other guy was. With 30 members we had very few run ins.

Where I hunt now is divided into 5 areas and we have to put our name on the board for the particular area we're hunting. Our entire place is gridded off in 100 acre sections over the map. We don't have to divulge exact stand locations. On our mandatory observation reports we have to include the area hunted and the particular grid hunted along with our sightings.

As mentioned, the hardest part of joining or filling a club with members is the balancing act between your goals and the people chosen to fulfill them. The more members the harder that becomes and it may take several years to achieve this. The number 1 thing is to have a good working relationship with the landowner closely followed by a written set of goals with the rules governing them. Leave no grey areas. There are different approaches (staunch versus relaxed) in how you govern those rules but I've found that being firm handed, although it may not be pretty or easy to do, is the only way that the club can succeed. If you bend them for one you have to bend them for all and if you bend them at all there is no point in having rules. Just make sure they are realistic. The more time you have to fill the membership the better your odds at narrowing down like minded individuals to fill it. If it's a decent club with decent hunting word will get around and almost everyone there knows someone who may be interested in joining.

 

[Urban_Hunter]

Part of hunting a lease is fooling members as much as the deer.

This

When I hunted a lease I was always the most depressed about how bad my spot was. I never knew where I was going, just a general direction and picking the first decent tree I could find. I never saw a thing unless I killed something, and if I killed something it was a stroke of luck walking back to the gate.... If you know what I mean.

 

[HenryCohunter]

The club I was in the last 2 years was geared towards the older members with them adding new members just to help pay the lease. The long time members had big box stands on all the food plots.. And ladder stands in every oak bottom. I spent the first year walk hunting last year I made my own small plots during the summer and put in my own stands.. Only to have members "guests" hunt my stands and kill anything they saw every time I wasn't sitting in it. Needless to say I'm looking for a new club again.

 

[MUP]

I'm even more appreciative of having my own land to hunt now. Hunting a lease would be a miserable experience imo. I do believe, that if I did not own land, I would be looking for some asap, and apply what lease fees I was paying to the prospect of ownership of land I could hunt wo all the drama. I get enough drama from trespassers and poachers, I sure don't need any more. :D

 

[280longshot]

I'm even more appreciative of having my own land to hunt now. Hunting a lease would be a miserable experience imo. I do believe, that if I did not own land, I would be looking for some asap, and apply what lease fees I was paying to the prospect of ownership of land I could hunt wo all the drama. I get enough drama from trespassers and poachers, I sure don't need any more. :D

I'm always looking for a tract of land to buy don't get me wrong, just not so sure how my wife would deal with it. :P

 

[MUP]

I'm even more appreciative of having my own land to hunt now. Hunting a lease would be a miserable experience imo. I do believe, that if I did not own land, I would be looking for some asap, and apply what lease fees I was paying to the prospect of ownership of land I could hunt wo all the drama. I get enough drama from trespassers and poachers, I sure don't need any more. :D

I'm always looking for a tract of land to buy don't get me wrong, just not so sure how my wife would deal with it. :P

I hear ya 280. IF my wife ever finds out I've bought all this land I'm in REAL trouble! :rotf: