i carry the criticle defense ammo in my 380,not sure what they would do in a criticle defense situation,i did however shoot some into some clay once,and its on the very top of the list of rounds i never want to be shot with,ill let you know if i ever have to shoot someone doing repo's,ill see if the medical examiner can dig one or two or all 8 if need be.what are you planning on doing with them?hunting? i know my mother in law carries a 22wmr derranger or however you spell that,ill try and pic some up for her, now knowing they are out there.