Any tips for diaphragm users?

[93civEJ1]

So I have an assortment of basic calls, but I want to practice with some mouth calls as well.

I have a basic slate and carbon striker..not too too loud
A primos wet box....this one is loud
and a primos double D
and a set of primos A frame calls (a frame double..mini A frame..a frame triple with bat cut, and aframe double with double cut)

I have been sitting in my truck at lunch trying to get used to it. I can get sounds, but they dont sound great yet. Any tips? They arent the most comfortable things to shove in your mouth either.

 

[ImThere]

Cut to fit the top of you mouth and get a cd and call along with it while driving

 

[Setterman]

Be sure and put it in your mouth right, open end of reeds facing outwards and longest reed on top.

Try calls that are either 2 or 3 reeds made of white latex. The colored latex calls are usually much more difficult to blow for newbies, and the white latex calls take very little air.

Start by just trying to make noise by blowing a steady stream of air from your throat. When you can hold a note drop your jaw to make it break into a yelp.

There are a million you tube videos which will be far more helpful than reading how to do it.

 

[93civEJ1]

yeah I have watched videos. I can get them to yelp and whatnot...just not good with the whole purr cutt thing...haha.

So people actually cut them though to make them fit better?

 

[ImThere]

Yep it probably even says to on the package just follow the original shape small amounts at a time

 

[REN]

you can cut the "fabric" part to get a better fit if need be. Do not bend the frame on them as some say they do. That will change the entire call and can really mess them up.

to cut you will just have to practice pushing short bursts of air out. A cut is all in the front end of the burst, by that i mean it needs to be sharp while not rolling the sound out of the back end.

 

[RAFI]

Be sure and put it in your mouth right, open end of reeds facing outwards and longest reed on top.

you sure?i always keep the longest reed on bottom?

 

[Setterman]

Be sure and put it in your mouth right, open end of reeds facing outwards and longest reed on top.

you sure?i always keep the longest reed on bottom?

Yep. To each their own, and if it sounds good enough to you and it works on the birds, than by all means do what works for you. There is no absolute that says you have to do things a certain way.

The longest reed is supposed to be on top so that as you force air between your tongue and the call the top reed with the cut vibrates and makes noise. If the longest reed is downward than your tongue prohibits the reed from moving properly and could affect tone quality and volume.

Like I said, do whatever you like, is comfortable, and works for you. Forget the rest.

 

[RAFI]

Be sure and put it in your mouth right, open end of reeds facing outwards and longest reed on top.

you sure?i always keep the longest reed on bottom?

Yep. To each their own, and if it sounds good enough to you and it works on the birds, than by all means do what works for you. There is no absolute that says you have to do things a certain way.

The longest reed is supposed to be on top so that as you force air between your tongue and the call the top reed with the cut vibrates and makes noise. If the longest reed is downward than your tongue prohibits the reed from moving properly and could affect tone quality and volume.

Like I said, do whatever you like, is comfortable, and works for you. Forget the rest.

seems all the calls i use the bottom reed is the longest and the top reed thats cut is the shortest one am i miss understanding what you are saying?

 

[Setterman]

Be sure and put it in your mouth right, open end of reeds facing outwards and longest reed on top.

you sure?i always keep the longest reed on bottom?

Yep. To each their own, and if it sounds good enough to you and it works on the birds, than by all means do what works for you. There is no absolute that says you have to do things a certain way.

The longest reed is supposed to be on top so that as you force air between your tongue and the call the top reed with the cut vibrates and makes noise. If the longest reed is downward than your tongue prohibits the reed from moving properly and could affect tone quality and volume.

Like I said, do whatever you like, is comfortable, and works for you. Forget the rest.

seems all the calls i use the bottom reed is the longest and the top reed thats cut is the shortest one am i miss understanding what you are saying?

What brand calls are you using?

 

[ImThere]

Ok now I'm confused longest reed against tongue or roof of mouth?

 

[Setterman]

Ok now I'm confused longest reed against tongue or roof of mouth?

Roof of mouth.

 

[93civEJ1]

Yep...all mine say longest reed goes on top as well...but id also do whatever I felt worked best for me.

 

[RAFI]

it was an oddball call but guess setterman is right about longest reed being on top most times

 

[Setterman]

it was an oddball call but guess setterman is right about longest reed being on top most times

Seriously, if it is an oddball call it may be designed that way.

And seriously if it works for you than by all means roll with it.

 

[REN]

yup, i always looked at it as the cut reed on top. Same same though.

 

[RAFI]

it was an oddball call but guess setterman is right about longest reed being on top most times

Seriously, if it is an oddball call it may be designed that way.

And seriously if it works for you than by all means roll with it.

hey it killed turkey so thats fine.i use a red wasp now.i know you hate them but its pretty raspy and thats what i like.not the best call but i havent found one with more rasp to it .......yet

 

[93civEJ1]

In the end it should sound like this right??

http://youtu.be/11ccylE402o

 

[VolDoug]

Most are designed for the little tab in the "U" of the call to be down.

However, try them both ways. For me, the Red Wasp sounds raspy with the tab down, but nice and clear with the tab up.

BTW, purrs can be tough.

 

[VolDoug]

In the end it should sound like this right??

http://youtu.be/11ccylE402o

Is that you? I'd keep practicing !

 

[PickettSFHunter]

I dont think I nor anyone else can just tell you how to do it. Its something you have to learn through alot of practice and experimenting. Once I got I got it down, I put every other kind of call away and just carry mouth calls. Just try blowing air every which way until you get it LOL

 

[REN]

In the end it should sound like this right??

http://youtu.be/11ccylE402o

hahahahahahahah ok that was pretty funny

 

[Setterman]

it was an oddball call but guess setterman is right about longest reed being on top most times

Seriously, if it is an oddball call it may be designed that way.

And seriously if it works for you than by all means roll with it.

hey it killed turkey so thats fine.i use a red wasp now.i know you hate them but its pretty raspy and thats what i like.not the best call but i havent found one with more rasp to it .......yet

If it works stick with it.

I use a red wasp to gobble when I gobble. I don't hate it, it is just a little loud for my tastes. Well made call and certainly pour on the rasp.

 

[Trevor2]

In the end it should sound like this right??

http://youtu.be/11ccylE402o

hahahahahahahah ok that was pretty funny

That was painful to watch lol

 

[93civEJ1]

btw...No that was not me...haha.

 

[KANATI McD]

Trimming the call may affect the sound. I always chew around the rim of the call until it gets soft and will fit your mouth and try to get it as far back as you can in the roof of your mouth. I soak my calls in listerine to help with gagging. ( no inaide jokes plz) Lmao

 

[93civEJ1]

yeah...it seems the more i play with them the more they soften up to form to my mouth structure.

 

[Vermin93]

In the end it should sound like this right??

http://youtu.be/11ccylE402o

That was outstanding!

 

[93civEJ1]

In the end it should sound like this right??

http://youtu.be/11ccylE402o

That was outstanding!

I thought so too!!

but on the serious side. I have been practicing a lot. I was working on my purr on the way in to work this morning. Out of the HS double D or the Primos A-frame double, I have to say I like the feel of the Primos a little better. They are both just standard double reed calls.

 

[Trevor2]

Good luck on the purr with a call I still can't do it I have been convinced to just use my throat for purrs!