College football championship is long over and next season is many months away, but I came across a statistic that I found amazing and I wanted to share it. And yes, it involves the Buckeyes. How many holding penalties did the "Slobs", Ohio State's O line, have in 2014-15? Take a guess. Over 15 games exactly two and none in their final 11 games. I call that some amazing execution and coaching. Four of the five starters return.
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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but holding can be called on just about every play, but is up to the officials' discretion. Some crews call it far more often than others...
gator-n-buck
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Are we living in the past.... LOL
Mudbone
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Maybe the slobs were coached well enough to know how to hide it?
gator-n-buck
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Would this be a good example of hands outside shoulder pads????
gator-n-buck
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:tu: Looks like a little hold here.... 
arty: He's pulling his shoulder pads off.... :tu:
arty: He's pulling his shoulder pads off.... :tu:
THEdonkey0515
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That is very impressive to have so few holding penalties.
But it is true refs are human I watch A LOT of football both college and NFL, They will call holding and show the replay and I will see very little holding if any at all, But in the same game a pass rusher will come free and have a clean sack on the QB only for a O-line man to pretty much tackle him from behind and they call nothing. I have screamed HOLDING! at my T.v. so many times because it's in plain site but they don't throw a flag.
You can say the same about pass interference, They will throw a flag on something that Don't even look like PI, But the same refs in the same game will let the defender run all over the WR and it's clear PI and the refs just look at each other and do nothing.
They can't get every call right.
But either way to have that few holding calls go against you is impressive.
But it is true refs are human I watch A LOT of football both college and NFL, They will call holding and show the replay and I will see very little holding if any at all, But in the same game a pass rusher will come free and have a clean sack on the QB only for a O-line man to pretty much tackle him from behind and they call nothing. I have screamed HOLDING! at my T.v. so many times because it's in plain site but they don't throw a flag.
You can say the same about pass interference, They will throw a flag on something that Don't even look like PI, But the same refs in the same game will let the defender run all over the WR and it's clear PI and the refs just look at each other and do nothing.
They can't get every call right.
But either way to have that few holding calls go against you is impressive.
gator-n-buck":klp10p5z said::tu: Looks like a little hold here....
Yes, typical Penn State fan. Look close. #75. This is #75 from the 2014-15 team. Evan Lisle. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports ... 54139.html. Does that #75 in GnB's posted pic look like this Evan Lisle?
Toenail":2c8mc5gw said:
Please point out the holding on this play. http://thebiglead.com/2015/01/02/ezekie ... r-alabama/
There is no #90 in that video. What I see is #50 dominating that poor defenseless 'Bama D lineman and driving him into the ground. If the video continued after the scenes of the crying 'Bama fans, you would see that D lineman wimpering as he limped off the field. 
. Not really (but in the NC game by about middle of the 3Q, it seemed a different Oregon defender was limping off the field after every play). OK enough. I'm living in the past. I can't wait until 9/7. I wonder if GnB is getting tickets for the Penn State game at the Shoe?
. Not really (but in the NC game by about middle of the 3Q, it seemed a different Oregon defender was limping off the field after every play). OK enough. I'm living in the past. I can't wait until 9/7. I wonder if GnB is getting tickets for the Penn State game at the Shoe?Not going to watch the video, but I didn't say #50 held on every play. It may be in the line or a WR downfield, but it's there. I do remember Alabama having a ridiculously low number of holding penalties in 2012. Don't get too excited, it's happened before.
Hah! Please let me refresh your memory. If you watch the video, you will see there is only Zeke downfield. No WR. The WR (Evan Spencer) takes out two Alabama linebackers a few yards past the line of scrimmage. And he wasn't holding. The only other guy downfield is a guy with a black and white vertical striped shirt with both of his hands straight up in the air for some reason. Maybe the guy was being robbed by Brutus the Buckeye. 
OHVATN":3esik8y6 said:Hah! Please let me refresh your memory. If you watch the video, you will see there is only Zeke downfield. No WR. The WR (Evan Spencer) takes out two Alabama linebackers a few yards past the line of scrimmage. And he wasn't holding. The only other guy downfield is a guy with a black and white vertical striped shirt with both of his hands straight up in the air for some reason. Maybe the guy was being robbed by Brutus the Buckeye.
I don't think you understand the point I'm trying to make, but that's okay. Enjoy the off-season.
An objective, statistical comparative analysis of the Slobs to their peers in 2014-15.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-stat ... discipline
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-stat ... discipline
Hey where was the rest of the vaunted OS team discipline?
#50 in penalties per game?
Why, lowly TN was #13
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http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... s-per-game
#50 in penalties per game?
Why, lowly TN was #13
!http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... s-per-game
PalsPal":1vg9d8hs said:Hey where was the rest of the vaunted OS team discipline?
#50 in penalties per game?
Why, lowly TN was #13
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... s-per-game
12-13, 7-6, hoping, wishing, praying to be 8-4. That's also amazing.
PalsPal":oyc78h4w said:Hey where was the rest of the vaunted OS team discipline?
#50 in penalties per game?
Why, lowly TN was #13
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... s-per-game
The link is very interesting in that it is surprising how different teams rank in terms of least or most penalized in comparison to season record, bowl accomplishments, etc. The comparative analysis that I posted and the total penalties ranking you posted at a minimum suggests how much more important O-line discipline is to the success of a football team. For example, how many times have we yelled at the TV when the false start penalty occurs on third and two or when the 30 yard run is nullified by a holding penalty? Yes, a defensive personal foul or pass interference penalty hurts and can cost a game, but those false starts and holding penalties are the death by a thousand cuts penalties. Iny my opinion, a disciplined O-line that is not penalized a lot is also a better run and pass blocking line. Penalties, blocking, and execution go hand in hand. Frankly, one of the main reasons Alabama is so much better than Tennessee and has been for over a decade, and for most of college football history, is because Tennessee's O-line can't measure up to 'Bama's. And that's a fact.
When looking at the OSU O-line peer teams included in the comparative analysis I posted (Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Oregon), and adding in some other good teams (i.e., teams that didn't have to win their final regular season game to get to 6-6 so they could play in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl or whatever it was called), such as Florida State, TCU, Baylor, and Michigan State, it is surprising how penalized those teams were compared to the least overall penalized teams. Of these good teams, Alabama was the least penalized at #30, then Georgia #38, and Ohio State as you pointed out at #50. I guess none of them can measure up to the all powerful Vols nor can Oregon #116, Auburn #103, Florida State #90, TCU # 89, and Michigan State #87. Maybe next season the Vols will rank higher than San Jose State.
PalsPal":3khm063q said:OHVATN":3khm063q said:
Sweet, I struck a nerve. BTW, TN didn't have hardly any false start or holding penalties. I'll wait impatiently while you go and try to disprove my post
Try again :stir: !
Good for UT, but they weren't among the best in college football in that category either. Those teams are in the comparative analysis that I posted - OSU, Oregon, 'Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and drum roll, New Mexico State.
You are digging a hole for yourself. The overall penalty ranking is almost diametrically opposed to the final rankings. Of the "best teams" I mentioned above (i.e., AP poll final top 10), I left off Baylor, Georgia Tech, and UCLA. In your penalty rankings, they come in at #128, #29, and #117 but along with all the other undisciplined teams in the penalty poll (except for Auburn), they also finished in the AP top 10. Only two teams in the penalty top 25 could be characterized as "good teams" (i.e., top 25 in the AP) - Wisconsin and Clemson. Trumpeting UT's final ranking in the penalty poll doesn't mean diddly squat and doesn't translate into them being a good team last season and they weren't, as proven by the AP final top 25. Trumpeting the Ohio State O-line's lack of penalties does translate into one of the (several) reasons they were the best of the best last season.
OHVATN":2lj5v3u1 said:PalsPal":2lj5v3u1 said:OHVATN":2lj5v3u1 said:
Sweet, I struck a nerve. BTW, TN didn't have hardly any false start or holding penalties. I'll wait impatiently while you go and try to disprove my post
Try again :stir: !
Good for UT, but they weren't among the best in college football in that category either. Those teams are in the comparative analysis that I posted - OSU, Oregon, 'Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and drum roll, New Mexico State.
You are digging a hole for yourself. The overall penalty ranking is almost diametrically opposed to the final rankings. Of the "best teams" I mentioned above (i.e., AP poll final top 10), I left off Baylor, Georgia Tech, and UCLA. In your penalty rankings, they come in at #128, #29, and #117 but along with all the other undisciplined teams in the penalty poll (except for Auburn), they also finished in the AP top 10. Only two teams in the penalty top 25 could be characterized as "good teams" (i.e., top 25 in the AP) - Wisconsin and Clemson. Trumpeting UT's final ranking in the penalty poll doesn't mean diddly squat and doesn't translate into them being a good team last season and they weren't, as proven by the AP final top 25. Trumpeting the Ohio State O-line's lack of penalties does translate into one of the (several) reasons they were the best of the best last season.
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TeamMainStreet
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Here's to pulling for TN to do well :tu: :tu: :rotf: :rotf: ^^^^^^^^^
