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Thought you guys might like to look at this old main frame 8. He's a brute.. I'd imagine he might have something to do with the big rubs I found this weekend

The other buck is a wide nine point. I have more pics but forgot my memory cards and he hasn't walked by any cell cams oddly
 

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The bladed brow on this shed had me convinced it was long brow. I'm not so sure now. The distance of long brows pedicle to start point always had me doubtful but no other buck until now matched the shed at all. Now I feel like it's the big ole 8 pointer. If so he scores way higher than I'm guessing from the pic or went downhill
 

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Shed Hunter said:
The bladed brow on this shed had me convinced it was long brow. I'm not so sure now. The distance of long brows pedicle to start point always had me doubtful but no other buck until now matched the shed at all. Now I feel like it's the big ole 8 pointer. If so he scores way higher than I'm guessing from the pic or went downhill
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My gut tells me he's bigger than you think…then again I have a thing for giant 8's
 
Great bucks, thanks for sharing! I'm shocked they are tolerating each other this time of year. At some point, the boss is going to lay claim to his territory.
 
Andy S. said:
Great bucks, thanks for sharing! I'm shocked they are tolerating each other this time of year. At some point, the boss is going to lay claim to his territory.
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I actually just messaged somebody about that. Not one mature buck overlap since August. Each has his own hill he claims
 
Shed Hunter said:
What would be nice is a couple more buck tags..
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NO!!!!! LOL. Keep your liberal TN buck limits here in TN and just enjoy OH's conservative regs just the way they are. They work. Here's some food for thought.

In 2024 TN hunters killed 168,000 deer last year and 70,000 were bucks. 206,000 hunters.

OH hunters killed 140,000 deer last year and 100,000 were bucks. 180,000 hunters.

OH had less hunters, killed less deer overall, but killed 30% more bucks, and worth noting is that 1/3 of the bucks harvested were 3.5yrs+, meaning they were big rack bucks.

What you're experiencing with all those big bucks seemingly around every corner isn't because Ohio just grows bigger deer, which they do, but rather due to the strict regulations. One buck limit, week long gun season that happens after rut, and only a three day ML season that happens in January. TN hunters would go absolutely bananas if you imposed those regs here. But just imagine if 1/3 of all TN bucks killed were 3.5yrs+. That would be an awful lot of grip & grin big buck pics, about 27,000 of them to be exact. Also then imagine OH adopting TN's regs. How long you reckon you'd have all those big bucks to chase then? Regulations matter.
 
Ski said:
NO!!!!! LOL. Keep your liberal TN buck limits here in TN and just enjoy OH's conservative regs just the way they are. They work. Here's some food for thought.

In 2024 TN hunters killed 168,000 deer last year and 70,000 were bucks. 206,000 hunters.

OH hunters killed 140,000 deer last year and 100,000 were bucks. 180,000 hunters.

OH had less hunters, killed less deer overall, but killed 30% more bucks, and worth noting is that 1/3 of the bucks harvested were 3.5yrs+, meaning they were big rack bucks.

What you're experiencing with all those big bucks seemingly around every corner isn't because Ohio just grows bigger deer, which they do, but rather due to the strict regulations. One buck limit, week long gun season that happens after rut, and only a three day ML season that happens in January. TN hunters would go absolutely bananas if you imposed those regs here. But just imagine if 1/3 of all TN bucks killed were 3.5yrs+. That would be an awful lot of grip & grin big buck pics, about 27,000 of them to be exact. Also then imagine OH adopting TN's regs. How long you reckon you'd have all those big bucks to chase then? Regulations matter.
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Trust me I love a one buck limit. For everyone else. I just feel like a second buck tag would be nice however I do need to work on the first one 😂
 
Ski said:
NO!!!!! LOL. Keep your liberal TN buck limits here in TN and just enjoy OH's conservative regs just the way they are. They work. Here's some food for thought.

In 2024 TN hunters killed 168,000 deer last year and 70,000 were bucks. 206,000 hunters.

OH hunters killed 140,000 deer last year and 100,000 were bucks. 180,000 hunters.

OH had less hunters, killed less deer overall, but killed 30% more bucks, and worth noting is that 1/3 of the bucks harvested were 3.5yrs+, meaning they were big rack bucks.

What you're experiencing with all those big bucks seemingly around every corner isn't because Ohio just grows bigger deer, which they do, but rather due to the strict regulations. One buck limit, week long gun season that happens after rut, and only a three day ML season that happens in January. TN hunters would go absolutely bananas if you imposed those regs here. But just imagine if 1/3 of all TN bucks killed were 3.5yrs+. That would be an awful lot of grip & grin big buck pics, about 27,000 of them to be exact. Also then imagine OH adopting TN's regs. How long you reckon you'd have all those big bucks to chase then? Regulations matter.
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Wait a minute... You're saying OH's great bucks are because their regulations reduce buck harvests, yet OH hunters are killing considerably MORE bucks than TN's more liberal limits?

From 2024 data, OH hunters killed 2.2 bucks per square mile. TN hunters, 2.1/sq mi. From the last NDA annual report, percent of OH buck harvest that was 3 1/2+, 29%. TN 3 1/2+, 31%.

OH hunters kill so many top-end bucks because the average 3 1/2+ buck is so much larger than they are in TN. Average 3 1/2 year-old buck in woodland habitat in TN, gross 105. What is it in OH, 20 inches higher?
 
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Wait a minute... You're saying OH's great bucks are because their regulations reduce buck harvests, yet OH hunters are killing considerably MORE bucks than TN's more liberal limits?

From 2024 data, OH hunters killed 2.2 bucks per square mile. TN hunters, 2.1/sq mi. From the last NDA annual report, percent of OH buck harvest that was 3 1/2+, 29%. TN 3 1/2+, 31%.

OH hunters kill so many top-end bucks because the average 3 1/2+ buck is so much larger than they are in TN. Average 3 1/2 year-old buck in woodland habitat in TN, gross 105. What is it in OH, 20 inches higher?
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Yes....sort of but not the way you're suggesting. Of course OH naturally grows bigger deer in general but that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm referring to is hunter opportunity at older age class bucks. I'm suggesting that a one buck limit, very short gun season after rut, and super short ML season very late all contribute to a whole lot more bucks surviving to 4yrs, 5yrs, 6yrs+ than what TN sees.

Relatively speaking TN & OH have similar herd sizes per land area and similar hunters per deer. What lacks is a stat for adult deer sex ratios and a stat for how much of the herd consists of older age class bucks. That is where I believe the discrepancy lies and I attribute it to hunting regulations & hunting culture. Anecdotally from a hunter's perspective the difference is stark. When I hunt TN I see dozens of does to every one buck, and dozens of young bucks to every one older class buck. In OH it's different. I see roughly one buck for every one doe, and I see older age bucks somewhat often and plentiful. My cameras mirror my hunting experience in both states. Also in both states I hunt both private and public as well as manage habitat for hunting with intent to target older age class bucks.

So what is the difference? Why so stark? IMO it has everything to do with TN's liberal firearms season lengths, timing of those seasons, and a 2-buck limit. Again it has nothing to do with regional difference in antler size per age class. What I'm referring to is opportunity at killing a 5yr+ old buck. Shed Hunter isn't experiencing anything abnormal. All those older class bucks aren't holed up in one spot. They're everywhere across the state like that. Their antlers do represent good natural growing conditions but they also represent old age, an environment where bucks have high odds of reaching old age and therefore expressing their potential.

Simply put, what if OH had ML opening in early November and then gun season opening Thanksgiving & running through into January? What do you reckon would happen with the harvest? And how long would that harvest sustain before old bucks became as rare as they are here in TN? I'd guess a couple years at most.
 
I really would hate to see the season shortened, the stupid stuff that happens in a long season condensed into a week or 2 would be dangerous imo, lot of pushing to get deer up and running.
 
I'm a firm believer that the State Wildlife Agency should be in the business of providing the maximum hunting opportunities that do no harm to the wildlife populations. Currently, I see no indication our regulations are causing wide-spread harm (although I think that claim could be legitimately made in specific areas). Why change what is working? We have long seasons with lots of opportunities. Let's not ruin a good thing in the name of false claims that lessening opportunities would produce more trophy bucks. It would not make a measurable difference.
 
BSK said:
I'm a firm believer that the State Wildlife Agency should be in the business of providing the maximum hunting opportunities that do no harm to the wildlife populations. Currently, I see no indication our regulations are causing wide-spread harm (although I think that claim could be legitimately made in specific areas). Why change what is working? We have long seasons with lots of opportunities. Let's not ruin a good thing in the name of false claims that lessening opportunities would produce more trophy bucks. It would not make a measurable difference.
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To be very clear I was not suggesting TN change anything. What i said was leave TN's regulations in TN, and OH's regulations in OH. Every state agency has to balance herd health with the demands of their respective hunting culture. Everything else can be debated.
 

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