What's ya'll's opinion on these three calibers for personal protection? I've never owned a 9mm. Always liked the 45 but i'm wanting a new pistol, thought i might try a 9. I really like the look of the new sig E2. Sorry if this is an old topic. I tried a search but didn't find any posts.
9mmvs40vs45
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skynimrod
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With premimum bullets these days the 9mm's a great solid well rounded choice IMO...
With a 9 you have to go premium on your bullet choices. 124 gr +p Gold Dots, 115 gr Corbon DPX, or something in that class. I dont feel undergunned with a 9 with the right bullets. With a 40 or 45 you dont have to be quite as picky with your ammo choices. Just to let you know I have a Sig 228 9mm for sale in the classifieds.
Yep, 9mm with the right round and good (not perfect) shot placement will do the job.
Akurn said:
The nine is fine. I have an E2. GET ONE. You will not regret it. It is one of the best feeling guns ever made. It is also a great value. A Sig 226, SRT trigger, night sights, & 3 mags for like $850.
bobthebowhunter
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I prefer the 9mm unless I'm shooting a 1911.
The caliber wars.
It�s physics not economics. Surface Area, Mass, Velocity. You want the round to expel all its energy in the body and not pass through. It�s the term �for the money� that gets people in trouble.
Everything is application driven. I carry .357Mag, 40S&W and .45ACP depending on what the application is.
It�s physics not economics. Surface Area, Mass, Velocity. You want the round to expel all its energy in the body and not pass through. It�s the term �for the money� that gets people in trouble.
Everything is application driven. I carry .357Mag, 40S&W and .45ACP depending on what the application is.
UPSman said:
I'm with this guy.
I carry a 40 usually, glock 27. If I have to dress up I stick a 380 (p3at) in my pocket. Then if I'm out collecting money I stash a glock 21.
All the vs aside, 9mm is good all around round. Its fairly inexpensive to plink with but load it right and it will get the job done.
Nine will kill em dead.
mr.big
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I`m carrying a 9mm Magnum right now,,357 Sig
stik
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i have absolutely no use for a 9mm.
DaveTN said:
Have a difference of opinion on that as a whole,However in the case of personal defence exiting bullets could lead to some trouble if one dosent pay attention to what is behind the target.Otherwise I would want a complete passthrough for Max DAMAGE. Tow holes bleeding are better than one IMO. ;) :grin:
I�m not talking about what is behind the target. My goal is to make a shooter unable or unwilling to fire his weapon at me; that is my only goal. In a shootout you may not want to wait around for someone to bleed out while they have a gun in their hand shooting at you.
High velocity small rounds like a 9mm or a .223 can punch holes though a shooter without him knowing he has been hit.
Unless you are a pretty good point instinct shooter I doubt you will have �shot placement� on your side if it�s dark and you don�t have time to get a sight picture. The way you practice will determine how you will react in a shooting. At least that is what happened to me.
The caliber wars will go on forever, but some folks that are just getting started want information for choosing a weapon; and have no experience to draw from.
From what I experienced and saw firsthand responding to shootings; I don�t own any 9�s. To me a 9mm is a range round; not a personal defense round. However� as has been said many times�. A 9mm in your hand beats a .45 at home. Your weapon has to be comfortable to carry and you have to be able to operate it accurately and properly.
Application Driven.
High velocity small rounds like a 9mm or a .223 can punch holes though a shooter without him knowing he has been hit.
Unless you are a pretty good point instinct shooter I doubt you will have �shot placement� on your side if it�s dark and you don�t have time to get a sight picture. The way you practice will determine how you will react in a shooting. At least that is what happened to me.
The caliber wars will go on forever, but some folks that are just getting started want information for choosing a weapon; and have no experience to draw from.
From what I experienced and saw firsthand responding to shootings; I don�t own any 9�s. To me a 9mm is a range round; not a personal defense round. However� as has been said many times�. A 9mm in your hand beats a .45 at home. Your weapon has to be comfortable to carry and you have to be able to operate it accurately and properly.
Application Driven.
FLTENNHUNTER1
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I prefer a .45, love the big hole it leaves. Shot placement is the key.
Make sure you have at least one weapon that will have plenty of ammo available when Schumer hits the fan; i.e., 9mm or 45.
If I know I am going to be in a gunfight I leave the handguns at home.
Make sure you have at least one weapon that will have plenty of ammo available when Schumer hits the fan; i.e., 9mm or 45.
If I know I am going to be in a gunfight I leave the handguns at home.
DaveTN said:
Not to disagree with you, but I think the military and its use of FMJ 9mm and 5.56 ammo has pretty much driven this philosphy.
9mm JHP are pentrating 12-13" which is pretty close to what 45, 40 and 10mm JHPs are producind. The big difference is that the larger calibers are producing larger wound channels/cavities.
bobthebowhunter
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44fanatic said:
I too would have to disagree. Not so much about the 9mm but the 5.56/.223. That round is likely to pass through, but not unnoticed. At the velocity a .223/5.56 is traveling the hydrostatic shock alone is going to be the killer. In the deffense of the 9mm at least I have a few more rounds to through at them vs the larger caliburs.
I do agree with this statement!
DaveTN said:Your weapon has to be comfortable to carry and you have to be able to operate it accurately and properly.
Application Driven.
stik
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bobthebowhunter said:
that's because you need them. ;)
This is an endless, stupid debate. 9mm is a very powerful rd. So is .40, .45, 10mm, .357 etc, etc, etc.
I would venture to guess that most people claiming 9mm isnt enough for a man havent seen a man get shot with one lol
There is no question that with good ammo the 9mm is a great self defense round. the nine got a bad name because of fmj and out-dated ammo that didnt perform like what we have today i.e. Gold Dots ect... I have about every common caliber handgun made in my safe(including 3 .45's and a 10mm) but usually end up carry an SR9 everyday and have never felt undergunned. Anyone who doesnt thinck a 9mm with good HP's is a fine self defense choice is seriousley misguided.
Dont get me wrong tho I still love the bigger bores, and carry them plenty also, but dont discount the 9mm.
Dont get me wrong tho I still love the bigger bores, and carry them plenty also, but dont discount the 9mm.
FLTENNHUNTER1
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W.Seay
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I prefer the 40 or 45, but the 9mm with the right bullet and proper shot placement is enough to do the job.
DaveTN said:I�m not talking about what is behind the target. My goal is to make a shooter unable or unwilling to fire his weapon at me; that is my only goal. In a shootout you may not want to wait around for someone to bleed out while they have a gun in their hand shooting at you.
High velocity small rounds like a 9mm or a .223 can punch holes though a shooter without him knowing he has been hit.
Unless you are a pretty good point instinct shooter I doubt you will have �shot placement� on your side if it�s dark and you don�t have time to get a sight picture. The way you practice will determine how you will react in a shooting. At least that is what happened to me.
The caliber wars will go on forever, but some folks that are just getting started want information for choosing a weapon; and have no experience to draw from.
From what I experienced and saw firsthand responding to shootings; I don�t own any 9�s. To me a 9mm is a range round; not a personal defense round. However� as has been said many times�. A 9mm in your hand beats a .45 at home. Your weapon has to be comfortable to carry and you have to be able to operate it accurately and properly.
Application Driven.
Points Taken.
DaveTN said:I�m not talking about what is behind the target. My goal is to make a shooter unable or unwilling to fire his weapon at me; that is my only goal. In a shootout you may not want to wait around for someone to bleed out while they have a gun in their hand shooting at you.
High velocity small rounds like a 9mm or a .223 can punch holes though a shooter without him knowing he has been hit.
Unless you are a pretty good point instinct shooter I doubt you will have �shot placement� on your side if it�s dark and you don�t have time to get a sight picture. The way you practice will determine how you will react in a shooting. At least that is what happened to me.
The caliber wars will go on forever, but some folks that are just getting started want information for choosing a weapon; and have no experience to draw from.
From what I experienced and saw firsthand responding to shootings; I don�t own any 9�s. To me a 9mm is a range round; not a personal defense round. However� as has been said many times�. A 9mm in your hand beats a .45 at home. Your weapon has to be comfortable to carry and you have to be able to operate it accurately and properly.
Application Driven.
Good post Dave, and I might add this is how I feel about my hunting rifles and ML's for as well. Shock and flop ;)
