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For what gun? I've got some ole russian guns that shoot em. Ammo is dirt cheap. $90.00 for 440 rounds. It's corrosive so you've gotta clean the gun as soon as your done, but it shoots great and compares to new uncorrosive stuff.
 
Good gun and colorful at night! Make sure the rifles are strong and that the muzzle isn't crowned.......the mosins are notorious for bad muzzles from being cleaned so much in the field.

If you want something that will appreciate make sure the numbers all match, but for just a shooter it doesn't matter
 
Nope, nothing wrong with that. A lot of people will steer away from a gun that has been recrowned, but there's nothing wrong with them at all. I have shot several old guns that had been recrowned that were great shooters. Got 2 myself
 
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Will throw about a 4 foot flame out the end of the barrel when shot. Be careful Military Surplus Firearms have a way of multiplying. I started with one last year and now am up to over a dozen. I have three M44's, one Russian, one Chineese and a Polish. Am really wanting a Hungarian one next. Most have the bluing worn off and the grey patina against the wood makes for a really neat look.
 
Never played with one and I'am sure one can get good an bad in them.What few I've been around while someone esle was doing the shooting,they were junk.They,or the shooter one,couldn't hit the broadside of a barn door. Last time the guy was doing good to find the impact on a handgun sil target @ 50. Could also be the ammo. I would really look the thing over good and check the bore.
 
Tiny said:
they were junk.
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Wow. Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

That said, military surplus rifles are every bit as accurate as sporting arms (and more so in some cases), more reliable, and in many cases more finely finished. I have been collecting for over 25 years and honestly have never understood why so many people look down their noses at antique/C&R military guns. For my part, I won't have a 70/77/700 in my safe. My military rifles are a lot more affordable, have more character, and are every bit as accurate; my Krag is a 1.5-2MOA rifle with factory ammo and iron sights.
 
I've got several that are very accurate. As tiny said check the bore......especially the crown. The bores on most of those old mosins are frosty, and not really shiny, but don't let that deter you, just make sure that the rifling is strong. If so, and if the crown is good, it will be a good shooter.

If you get one, and shoot the cheap surplus ammo, You need to clean the gun just as soon as you're finished shooting it, or within say 12 hours. You can clean it with either a half and half mixture of ammonia and water, or the windex that has ammonia in it. That may sound crazy but that's how you deal with corrosive ammo.

The reason is that the surplus ammo, which is corrosive ammo, shoots as good as anything else. It's just that the primers have salt in them, and the salt will start the corrosive process fast, and the ammonia will neutralize the salt. make sure that you dry it all good once cleaned and oil it up and it's good to go.

The surplus ammo is so cheap that it's worth the cleaning for the cheap ammo
 
Plain Old Dave said:
Tiny said:
they were junk.
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Wow. Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

That said, military surplus rifles are every bit as accurate as sporting arms (and more so in some cases), more reliable, and in many cases more finely finished. I have been collecting for over 25 years and honestly have never understood why so many people look down their noses at antique/C&R military guns. For my part, I won't have a 70/77/700 in my safe. My military rifles are a lot more affordable, have more character, and are every bit as accurate; my Krag is a 1.5-2MOA rifle with factory ammo and iron sights.
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Couldn't agree more. These old military guns are going to appreciate more than anything else that you own. You could buy a good SKS for 100.00 just a few years back, and now the average SKS's are worth 3 times that, and still climbing.

You can get a nice Mosin for about 100.00 to 150.00 right now, but once the importing is over, they'll only go up from there, and usually fairly fast. The M44 carbines are the more sought after right now, because they're not being imported now. 2 years ago they were the 100.00 gun. Now they are the 200.00 to 250.00 gun. Better get em while you can
 
Longhunter said:
The problem I find with most surplus rifles is that they are not designed for hunting. They are clumsy in the woods unless they have been sporterized. In their original form the are only a stand hunting rifle. There are exceptions. The Enfield Jungle Carbine and the Springfield 1903 are adequate for stillhunting. However if you compare them to a good levergun for this purpose they are still clumsy.

Surplus rifles are good, inexpensive, and accurate rifles that are fun to shoot. I have a few myself. However, they rarely see woods time for they are awkward to tote anywhere but to and from a stand.
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Thats why I have two styles of guns. My hunting guns, made for hunting and my Mil-surp collection. I am in the process of building a 30/06 sporter out of a Czech 98 Mauser. Dont forget most modern hunting rifles are based off of the 98 Mauser.
 
Plain Old Dave said:
Tiny said:
they were junk.
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Wow. Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

That said, military surplus rifles are every bit as accurate as sporting arms (and more so in some cases), more reliable, and in many cases more finely finished. I have been collecting for over 25 years and honestly have never understood why so many people look down their noses at antique/C&R military guns. For my part, I won't have a 70/77/700 in my safe. My military rifles are a lot more affordable, have more character, and are every bit as accurate; my Krag is a 1.5-2MOA rifle with factory ammo and iron sights.
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Didn't Say they ALL were junk just those few I've seen being shot.
 
well i got it home tonight. he told me it was duracoated blue and he was not lying. but that is no prob. overall it seems like a fun little setup.

who would have thought the dang russians had a drop floorplate rifle!!

pix soon
 
larrys pistol and pawn in huntsville alabama had green boxs of some kind old russian military guns stack 3 high .hundred each or 3 for 225 . not my thing but some body might like them.
 
Tiny said:
Plain Old Dave said:
Tiny said:
they were junk.
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Wow. Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

That said, military surplus rifles are every bit as accurate as sporting arms (and more so in some cases), more reliable, and in many cases more finely finished. I have been collecting for over 25 years and honestly have never understood why so many people look down their noses at antique/C&R military guns. For my part, I won't have a 70/77/700 in my safe. My military rifles are a lot more affordable, have more character, and are every bit as accurate; my Krag is a 1.5-2MOA rifle with factory ammo and iron sights.
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Didn't Say they ALL were junk just those few I've seen being shot.
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Yep technology advances for a reason. I mean the military stopped using them for a reason. I've shot my brother's MN on several occasions. Not something I would want to lug around the woods. Most guns will shoot 1.5"-2" MOA. Just have to know how to shoot.
 
As I said when I joined Tndeer, I am a shooter and collector that hunts occasionally. I prefer military rifles over almost any sporting one; they might be heavier to carry but the weight soaks up recoil and the long barrels hang better for offhand shooting. There's still the money issue; why spend $500+ on a 70/77/700 when an $100 Mosin will shoot JUST as good and kill a deer JUST as dead? AND you have the bonus of the history behind the fine old military gun, too.
 
Plain Old Dave said:
As I said when I joined Tndeer, I am a shooter and collector that hunts occasionally. I prefer military rifles over almost any sporting one; they might be heavier to carry but the weight soaks up recoil and the long barrels hang better for offhand shooting. There's still the money issue; why spend $500+ on a 70/77/700 when an $100 Mosin will shoot JUST as good and kill a deer JUST as dead? AND you have the bonus of the history behind the fine old military gun, too.
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I agree. I've read on several forums that people are seeing new batches of recently imported M44's at gunshows up north. I'm glad as I'll be picking up a couple as soon as they make it my way. Ever since I bought my first 91/30 and broke it down, I've been hooked on these guns. They are well built guns with a a lot of nostalgia that shoot really well. It's amazing that they are as cheap as they are. Imports of these guns will eventually be gone and the price is only going up from there.
 
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DCloudy777 said:
The 7.62X54R is also the oldest cartridge still in front-line military service. Just a bit of trivia.


DanO
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True and Thanks for the reminder.
 

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