.308 vs .30-06
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SALECREEKHUNTER
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Both are great calibers but i preffer the 308. I just feel comfortable shooting this round. There are also more bullet options with 308. Its really which ever one you like. Both are great.
But be warned...both of those calibers are SUPER popular and right now if you can find one of EITHER you'd better swoop it up. When I was trying to find my heavy barrel .308 all the stores I called or went to, were out of .308s and 30/06 rifles. You will probably be hard pressed to find reloading stuff for them right now and nearly all our local stores are sold out of factory ammo for them as well.
Crow Terminator said:
Yeah, I was just down to Benton Shooters this afternoon and there was not a piece of 308 Winchester brass to be had.
stik
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SALECREEKHUNTER said:
308 and 30-06 uses the SAME bullets.
mr.big
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I would rather have the 30-06 round,,but I like the guns made for the 308 better,,,
a mag fed Garand would be awesome..
or a 30-06 M1A1 NM
a mag fed Garand would be awesome..
or a 30-06 M1A1 NM
jaybird62
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The target won't know the difference between the two. Military surplus ammo will be less difficult to come by for the .308 vs. the .30-06. The only advantage is a little case capacity w/ the -06, which allows more velocity with the really heavy bullets in the 200-grain-plus range. If I'm hunting, I'll pick the .308 as a personal preference. If I had pick a battle rifle, I'd pick the .308 again.
SALECREEKHUNTER
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stik said:
I know they use the same bullets if you handload LOL I meant off the shelf ammo.
Locksley
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stik said:
They use the same bullet or projectiles but different cases. The cartridges are not the same just the bullets that do the killing part. The 30/06 can shoot faster when loaded to a similar pressure as the 308, but do not shoot these reloads in old 1903 Springfields as they were not made of the alloys of steel we have today.
Locksley
stik
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SALECREEKHUNTER said:
i see more options in factory loads for the 06.
SALECREEKHUNTER
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stik said:
You are right stik. This topic made me do some research LOL. I found that there are 115 factory loads for the .308 and 128 factory loads for the 06.
any way you slice it both are a hard round to beat for big game,i would give the nod to the 30/06 for the simple fact that you can pick a box of shells off of any shelf in the country,you cant do that with many caliburs,mike243
stik
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for the record,we have one of each and both are very fine deer rifles. you can get a little lighter gun with the short action of the 308 but other than that, i see no advantage of one over the other.
Locksley
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stik said:
The only reason we have the 308 is because the Army wanted a fast shooting machine gun like the German MG-34 and MG-42 and that required a shorter cartridge case so the action did not have to travel so far and thus could be faster. With out paying and patent rights to a German company, thus we have the M-60 machinegun. The Germans just converted their MG-34 guns to 7.62 X 51 NATO when they all adopted that.
The Maschinengewehr 34, or MG34, was a German machine gun that was first produced and accepted for service in 1934, and first issued to units in 1935. It was an air-cooled machine gun firing 7.92x57mm Mauser rounds and had similar performance to other medium machine guns.
However, it was also designed to perform both as a light machine gun and also in heavier roles, in an early example of a general purpose machine gun. In the light role, it was intended to be equipped with a bipod and 50-round belt contained in a drum-shaped ammo basket, which attached to the receiver. In the heavier role it was mounted on a larger tripod and was belt-fed. In practice the infantry usually just belt-fed the bipod version, resulting in it functioning as a classic medium support weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_34
The MG42 (shortened from German: Maschinengewehr 42, or "machine gun 42") is a 7.92mm universal machine gun that was developed in Nazi Germany and entered service with the Wehrmacht in 1942. It supplanted and in some instances, replaced the MG34 general purpose machine gun in all branches of the German Armed Forces, though both weapons were manufactured and used until the end of the war.[1]
The MG42 has a proven record of reliability, durability, simplicity, and ease of operation, but is most notable for being able to produce a stunning volume of suppressive fire. The MG42 has one of the highest average rates of fire of any single-barreled man-portable machine gun, between 1,200 and 1,500 rpm, resulting in a distinctive muzzle report. There were other automatic weapon designs with similar firepower, such as the Hungarian-Gebauer single-barreled tank MGs and the Russian 7.62 mm GShak aircraft gun. However, the MG42's belt-feed and quick-change barrel system allowed for more prolonged firing in comparison to these weapons.
The MG42's lineage continued past Nazi Germany's defeat, forming the basis for the nearly identical MG1 (MG42/59), and subsequently evolved into the MG1A3, which was in turn followed by the MG3. It also spawned the Swiss MG51, SIG MG 710-3, Austrian MG74, and the Spanish 5.56mm Ameli light machine gun, and lent many design elements to the American M60 and Belgian MAG. The MG3 served with many armies during the Cold War and remains in use to this day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG42
The M60 (formally the United States Machine Gun, Caliber 7.62 mm, M60) is a family of American general purpose machine guns firing 7.62x51mm NATO cartridges from a disintegrating belt of M13 links. It can fire three types of ammunition, ball, tracer, and armor piercing. In a normal combat situation, The M-60 is loaded with ball and tracer in a 4:1 ratio.
Introduced in 1957, until recently it remained in use in every branch of the U.S military and still serves in other armed forces. Its manufacture and continued upgrade for military and commercial purchase continues into the 21st century though it has been replaced or supplemented in most roles by other designs, notably the M240 (U.S. Forces' nomenclature for the FN MAG-58) in U.S service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_machine_gun
Locksley
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DEER ASSASSIN said:
Yep that,s about it. Unless you want to have a fast firing machine gun. In that case the 308 case is it as the M- 60 AND the MG-42 will shoot a lot faster than the 30 caliber Browning machine gun which uses 30/06 AMMO. Or the good old BAR Browning Automatic Rifle which also used the 30/06 AMMO.
During World War II, the BAR saw extensive service, both official and unofficial, with many branches of service. One of the BAR's most unusual uses was as a defensive aircraft weapon. In 1944, USAAF Air Transport Command Capt. Wally A. Gayda reportedly used a BAR to return fire against a Japanese Army Nakajima fighter that had attacked his C-46 cargo plane over the Hump in Burma. Gayda shoved the rifle out his forward cabin window, emptying the magazine and apparently killing the Japanese pilot.[4][5]
Ki-43 Hayabusa
Nakajima Ki-43-IIa
Role Fighter aircraft
Manufacturer Nakajima
First flight January 1939
Retired 1945 (Japan)
1952 (China)
Primary users Imperial Japanese Army Air Force
Royal Thai Air Force
Produced 1942�1945
Number built 5,919
The Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa (隼, "Peregrine Falcon") was a single-engined land-based fighter used by the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force in World War II. The army designation was "Type 1 Fighter" (一式戦闘機); the Allied codename was Oscar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Ki-43
After World War II, the BAR continued in service in the Korean War, and the early stages of the Vietnam War, when the U.S. delivered a quantity of weapons to the South Vietnamese. Quantities of the BAR remained in use by the Army National Guard up until the mid-1970s. Many nations in NATO and recipients of U.S. foreign aid adopted the BAR and used it into the 1990s.
The BAR proved a popular civilian weapon in the U.S., although fully automatic models were greatly restricted in the 1930s, which made them much harder to own and transfer. Importation of machine guns for U.S. civilian transfer was banned in 1968, and U.S. production of machine guns for civilian transfer was banned in 1986. Transferable civilian-owned BAR models remain, however.
The M1918A2 BAR
Type Automatic rifle
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service 1917�1960s (U.S.)
Used by See Users
Wars World War I, World War II, Chinese Civil War, Korean War, Vietnam War (limited), Palestinian Civil War
Production history
Designer John Browning
Designed 1917
Manufacturer Colt�s Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company, Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Marlin-Rockwell Corporation, Royal McBee Typewriter Company, Carl Gustafs Stads Gev�rsfaktori, FN Herstal, Państwowa Fabryka Karabin�w
Produced 1917�1950s
Number built 100,000+ (M1918)
Variants See Variants
Specifications
Weight 7.25 kg (15.98 lb) (M1918)
Approx. 11 kg (24 lb) (M1922)
8.4 kg (19 lb) (M1918A1)
8.8 kg (19 lb) (M1918A2)
9.0 kg (20 lb) (wz. 1928)
Length 1,194 mm (47 in) (M1918, M1922, M1918A1)
1,215 mm (47.8 in) (M1918A2)
1,110 mm (43.7 in) (wz. 1928)
Barrel length 610 mm (24.0 in) (M1918, M1922, M1918A1, M1918A2)
611 mm (24.1 in) (wz. 1928)
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Cartridge .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm) (M1918, M1922, M1918A1, M1918A2)
7.92x57mm Mauser (wz. 1928)
7.65x53mm Belgian Mauser (FN Mle 1930, FN Mle D)
7x57mm Mauser
6.5x55mm (Kg m/21, m/37)
.303 British (7.7x56mmR)
7.62x51mm NATO
Action Gas-operated, tilting breech block
Rate of fire 500�650 rounds/min (M1918, M1922, M1918A1)
350 or 500 rounds/min (M1918A2)
600 rounds/min (wz. 1928)
Muzzle velocity 860 m/s (2,822 ft/s) (M1918, M1922, M1918A1, M1918A2)
853 m/s (2,798.6 ft/s) (wz. 1928)
Effective range 100�1,500 yd sight adjustments
Maximum range Approx. 600 yd (550 m)
Feed system 20-round detachable box magazine
Sights Rear leaf, front post
784 mm (30.9 in) sight radius (M1918, M1922, M1918A1)
782 mm (30.8 in) (M1918A2)
742 mm (29.2 in) (wz. 1928)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1918_Brow ... ite_note-4
