270 cartridges.......

[Bottom Hunter]

what 270 cartridge has the most knock down ?

I hunt deep woods and want my deer to drop with a shot to the shoulder.....

Most times they do, but some bad hits give them a chance to run a bit.....I do always find them, but what 270 shell is the best for maximum SLAMDOWN POWER!!!!??
brand and size grain, etc...?
Thnaks

BH

 

[skynimrod]

I would think the heaviest bullet would give you more of a thump and leeway for a pulled shot, but shot placement would be most critical to a total drop in his tracks scenario IE top of shoulder bone joint, neck, and spine. With that said a good heart lung shot they should not run far.

 

[jakeway]

Light magnum is a good choice. Plenty of .270 (I assume you mean .270 WIN and not other .270 caliber cartridges like .270 WSM or .270 Weatherby Magnum) loads are good enough for elk, so TN deer should be no problem.

Personally, I load 130 gr Nosler BT for mine, and have no real issues. If I wanted what you describe, I'd load up some PArtitions, Win Fail Safe, or Barnes X bullets in the heaviest weight.

 

[muddyboots]

Jakeway hit on the head. Partitions, Fail safe or barnes in 140 grain.

 

[Hogbear]

I've been using Barnes since the late 1980's and for some reason, every deer I've shot with 165-168 grain Barnes bullets from my .30-06 have run 30-80 yards before dropping. Almost all that I've shot with my .243 and 70-85 grain Barnes bullets dropped right in their tracks and the couple that didn't never made over 30 yds. I don't know the reason, but it seems the lighter, faster Barnes bullets work better for dropping whitetails. I think 130 grain is the lightest they make for .270 so they may be worth a try...or get a .243.

 

[skynimrod]

IMO with the 270 win cartridge I believe the heavily constructed bullets are not needed for our deer in most circumstances. For instance a Nosler BT would be a better choice with the 270 win velocities in most circumstances for complete smackdown. Shock and tissue destruction does kill fast, but with consequences like meat damage/bloodshot. When hunting short range thicker skinned/bodied animals and Vel's over say 3,000 ft.ps. I could see premium bullets being used. I use a bonded 130 gr for my 270 WSM at 3200 ft.ps. so it will hold together at short ranges screaming at high velocity. At $40-50 per box I think it's expensive & overkill for the 270 win for whitetail deer hunting and you just might shoot right through them with no shock. JMO

 

[skynimrod]

I've been using Barnes since the late 1980's and for some reason, every deer I've shot with 165-168 grain Barnes bullets from my .30-06 have run 30-80 yards before dropping. Almost all that I've shot with my .243 and 70-85 grain Barnes bullets dropped right in their tracks and the couple that didn't never made over 30 yds. I don't know the reason, but it seems the lighter, faster Barnes bullets work better for dropping whitetails. I think 130 grain is the lightest they make for .270 so they may be worth a try...or get a .243.

Were those shots at close range?
Chances are that the Barnes were not opening up enough, to cause massive shock

Compare your 30/06 Barnes to your 243 on a water jug sometime. The 243 will vaporize the jug.
Shock kills fast, but so does heavy bullets expanding well, with bigger holes. Pick your poison.

 

[BZ911]

winchester supreme silver tip, nbt or accubonds in 140 grain.

 

[cdw338]

For your kind of hunting, go buy you some Speer round nose 150 gr
factory loads. Thats all you will need. It will put them down
fast if you do your part. Enough said.

 

[jakeway]

Go to the Barnes Website and ask for their free (you pay a small shipping charge) DVD of "Bullet Myths Busted". It's just a big comercial for Barnes bullets, but there are some awesome slo-mo video clips of bullets in ballistics gel. They say the real knock-down comes not from Kinetic Energy, but from hydrostatic shock. The videos are quite convincing.

Last year I shot a 150 lb buck with a 130 gr Ballistic Tip, broadside, at about 45 yards. (I get about 3000fps in my handload.) The bullet went through the ribs, about half-way between the shoulder and the diaphram. There were clear entrance and exit holes between the ribs, well in front of the diaphram. No leg bones or shoulders were hit. The shock of the Ballistic Tip, however, was so great that the diaphram ruptured and the stomach was ripped open. It was as bad, smell and mess-wise, as if I had gut shot the buck. For that reason, this year I'm hunting with more traditional lead-nose bullets.

 

[mr.big]

140 Sierra GKBTHP over a bunch of H-4831 or RL-22

 

[Plateau Hunter]

If I were rolling a load for the most likely bamflops with a .270, I would load the 130g Nosler ballistic tip over IMR 4350 or such. I killed a lot of deer back in the 70s and 80s with a .270 using mostly 130g Sierra GameKings and Rem Coreloks. Every once in awhile I would use some 150s thinking they would be big medicine and most of the time the deer ran a little farther before dying-which they did ok.

All bets are off with a 'bad hit'-results become more unpredictable. A head, neck, or spine shot will anchor them immediately of course with most any bullet. But for instantaneous downers I would tend toward a lighter rapidly expanding bullet that gets inside and/or through the animal. Plateau Hunter

 

[Whelen Man]

Last year I shot a 150 lb buck with a 130 gr Ballistic Tip, broadside, at about 45 yards. (I get about 3000fps in my handload.) The bullet went through the ribs, about half-way between the shoulder and the diaphram. There were clear entrance and exit holes between the ribs, well in front of the diaphram. No leg bones or shoulders were hit. The shock of the Ballistic Tip, however, was so great that the diaphram ruptured and the stomach was ripped open. It was as bad, smell and mess-wise, as if I had gut shot the buck. For that reason, this year I'm hunting with more traditional lead-nose bullets.

I did the same thing a couple of years back by trying a 200 grain round nose bullet intended for the 35 Remington in a 35 Whelen at several hundred feet per second over it's intended speed range. I won't do that again. It was just as you described with a big mess even though I got a pass through straight thru the chest. No diaphragm left and the night's forage was everywhere. I usually shoot deer with mildly explosive bullets through the lungs. They're usually going to go 40 or 50 yards on that last breath and then drop. If you want to anchor them in place use a solidly built bullet and take the shoulders or spine out. A high shoulder shot will do it but makes more of a mess of the deer.

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

bone fragments is likely what ripped his stomach.

 

[Locksley]

Jakeway hit on the head. Partitions, Fail safe or barnes in 140 grain.

Jakeway hit on the head. Partitions

 

[jakeway]

bone fragments is likely what ripped his stomach.

It's tough to describe what I saw, but in my post I said the buller went clenaly through the ribs. I should have said BETWEEN the ribs. If there were any bone fragments, it would have been on the exit side; the entrance slipped between two ribs. Even if there were a few bone fragments, they would have punctured the diaphram and stomach, but this thing looked like the contents were swirled around in a cement mixer.

If you see the video with the ballistic gel, you'll see that as the shock wave builds, the entire rectangular block of gel swells up to an almost complete sphere. The Ballistic Tip isn't a Barnes, but I bet the effect is similar.

Imagine inserting a balloon into a deer's lungs, just in front of the diaphram, then rapidly inflating the baloon to the sise of a basketball. The displaced tissue has to go somewhere; I contend that the expansion pulled apart the diaphram and stomach.

 

[Whelen Man]

bone fragments is likely what ripped his stomach.

It's tough to describe what I saw, but in my post I said the buller went clenaly through the ribs. I should have said BETWEEN the ribs. If there were any bone fragments, it would have been on the exit side; the entrance slipped between two ribs. Even if there were a few bone fragments, they would have punctured the diaphram and stomach, but this thing looked like the contents were swirled around in a cement mixer.

If you see the video with the ballistic gel, you'll see that as the shock wave builds, the entire rectangular block of gel swells up to an almost complete sphere. The Ballistic Tip isn't a Barnes, but I bet the effect is similar.

Imagine inserting a balloon into a deer's lungs, just in front of the diaphram, then rapidly inflating the baloon to the sise of a basketball. The displaced tissue has to go somewhere; I contend that the expansion pulled apart the diaphram and stomach.

Exactly what I saw. The entire diaphragm was essentially ripped loose from it's anchor to the rear of the ribcage most of the way around. The stomach had been totally ripped apart by the explosive expansion, not fragments. I'm sure there were lots of fragments involved, but the primary cause was definitely the massive cavitation. It's similar to the use of a CO2 bang stick (not the shotgun shell type) on a shark. There are no fragments involved but the massive internal cavitation combined with the fact that the shark is now a dead buoy gives results.

 

[Boone 58]

The winchester supreme in the black box ballistic tips are dead knock down killers! That b.t. is absolutely deadly! Most bucks have died in spot or a few feet from it. ....Not spine shot either.

 

[TennBuck]

shot 130 gr for years with no problem.

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

140 or 150 Hornady Interlock

 

[tiecampdeerslayer]

Use the standard Hornady Custom ammo with the 130 gr. SST bullet. Not the light magnum and not the Interbond bullet, just the standard load with the standard SST bullet. Avoid deliberate shots to the shoulder. Stay with a lung, heart, or neck shot and they will drop dead in their tracks....

 

[mr.big]

the Sierra Game King BTHP bullet is different than any other HP out there,,it is made to reach the rifilings and fit the magazine,,extremely accurate,rivaling the Match King,,extremely explosive on the front end but sierra says its tougher than any of thier led tipped bullets from the ogive back for extreme penetration,,,

some magazine did a study on bang flops and the #1 winner hands down was the 6mm 85 GR GKBTHP

only thing I don`t like about this bullet is mute to about 400 yards and thats a low B.C.

 

[Tikkabuck]

For your kind of hunting, go buy you some Speer round nose 150 gr
factory loads. Thats all you will need. It will put them down
fast if you do your part. Enough said.

Thats what I was gonna say and add that I think it was Remington that had some they sold with 150 gr round nose,may be wrong it may have been Winy that offered them.

 

[Tikkabuck]

Federal has a 150 offered is their Vitalshock line.