#2 let me get too close to him on the roost

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well I hunted all day sunday, camped out in the car overnight, hunted again this morning. Was gonna meet up again with ImThere in the morning but he got called into work. So I headed off to a spot along a creek where I knew they roosted in the area.

I got there just as light started showing in the sky. Quietly crossed the creek to find a place on the other side to set up. I didn't know exactly where they were roosted but it had to be nearby. The wind was gusting a little. Not a constant breeze but enough to help me move along through the woods undetected.

Well I got across the creek and saw the first bird. I was almost under it, not far from the tree at all. It turned out to be a hen. I climbed the bank quietly and there was another bird in a tree 10 yards in front of me. I could see its silhouette against the lightening sky.... but was it a hen or a gobbler?

I barely had time to decide where to set up, then one of the hens made a little noise. The bird in front of me gobbled. I sat down at the nearest tree with the creek behind me. I watched that bird gobble... double gobble even, he was pretty vocal and very close to where I was sitting.

I didn't know if it was legal shooting hours yet - some clouds had rolled in making it seem a little earlier than it was. I shielded the light from my phone while it loaded the current sunrise time, all the while the bird was gobbling.

The sunrise app on my phone loaded and I was glad to see that it was already 8 minutes into legal shooting hours. I figured I might as well just take him off the limb....

Now why shoot him off the limb instead of waiting for him to hit the ground? well pretty simple, I was not set up where I thought I should be. I don't know for sure where he would have flown down to, but if I'm guessing right he would have flown away from the creek uphill. I wanted the birds to be between me and the creek and have them fly to me, but I was between the creek and the gobbler and couldn't go any farther without him probably seeing me. So I had to decide and he was already easily in range.

I could not see his head unless he was gobbling due to tree limbs in the way, but I could see from his neck down. I got a bead on that sucker and squeezed off a round.... birds around me freaked out a bit, and he came crashing to the ground. He hit the ground approx. 10 yards from where I was sitting (roughly stepped it off). He actually broke his breast bone from the impact, but the meat was OK.

The shot was a lucky one - only about inch away from destroying either the beard or the breast. Blew a hole in his crop. Still don't know how it didn't spill out yesterday's meal but it somehow stayed intact, except for the big hole in the skin. A few shot got into the breast but nothing to complain about. I shot him with a Win. Supreme High Velocity 3" #5 shot load.

So at 5:51 AM I had one taking a nice dirt nap. That hunt definitely was a lot shorter than expected.

22 lbs, 5 oz
9 3/4" beard
1 1/8" and 1 3/16" spurs
Public land, Maury County

I was just gonna save the beard and spurs, but screw it... I got that fan salted and pinned out to dry. It was too pretty to throw out I guess. Gotta remember borax next time too...

Some pics

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I got over 9 1/2 pounds of meat -

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One side note -

I figure some of you probably frown on shooting a bird out of the roost, because it's not "playing the game" or however you want to put it. It may not be the same as calling a hot bird in to your gun but hey, it's a legal turkey, it's fair chase, and the meat is just as good. If you don't think it's fair chase then try getting within 10 yards of a tree holding a longbeard on public land, with the bird in plain sight. If that's not fair chase then I don't know what is. It was a heck of a thrill anyway.
 
congrats man, just be prepared....you WILL get some blow back from posting this.

Personally it aint my thing but I am not one to tell anyone else how they should or should not hunt these silly birds.
 
REN said:
congrats man, just be prepared....you WILL get some blow back from posting this.

Personally it aint my thing but I am not one to tell anyone else how they should or should not hunt these silly birds.
Yeah man I know people will jump on it but heck I don't really care that much, it's a legal fair chase bird and I care more about the meat than a lot of people on here apparently do. I'm probably more likely to call one in than to shoot him 10 yd from the roost anyway.
 
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Like I said earlier nothing wrong with it! If you hunt for the meat you take them when the opportunity presents itself! Nice bird! And its very hard to get that close to a roosting bird in or out of season! You may not have played the "game" but you are eating turkey instead of "tag soup" lol
 
There's not much better than outsmarting a public land bird if you ask me. Congrats man,great tom!
 
I have taken a couple off the roost and will do it again. Congrats and that fresh turkey meat does look good!
 
Its refreshing that no one has given you the "holier than thou" treatment(at least, not yet). My attitude that if someone takes legal game by any legal means, its a great trophy. Congrats
 
One of the most dissapointed times hunting I ever had was when I had been hunting a particular bird for several mornings right at the end of the season, but with just a few days left I was standing there at dawn waiting on him to gobble. After a couple of gobbles on the roost BOOOOOOM!!! Some other guy shot him off the roost :eek: Sure seens to take the thrill out of it for me. But it is legal.
 
Man I forget how pretty those woods are I need to slow down and enjoy the scenery once in a while

X2 4onaside
 
ImThere said:
Man I forget how pretty those woods are I need to slow down and enjoy the scenery once in a while

X2 4onaside
yeah man yanahli is a pretty place. I sometimes stop just to take a pic if something stands out.
 
congrats i stalked within 45 yards of a big gobbler up there sunday while he was breeding a hen but i didnt take the shot because i wanted my brother to kill him and he got away
 
CatMan,

You have supported your decision to shoot the bird off the limb on the basis that it's legal and it's "fair chase" because of the difficulty of getting within range of a roosted tom.

Yes, it is legal. However, legal and illegal with regards to game and fish regulations represents only a minimum standard of conduct enforced by a regulatory agency to prevent sportsmen from doing harm to the game/fish species or harm to each other (public safety). In this case, there are not enough turkey hunters shooting birds off the limb to do harm, and it's not a public safety risk. Also, a good game/fish reg must be easily enforceable so even if a game agency wanted to make it illegal to shoot a bird off the limb. How could they enforce it? The officer would have to be within sight of you and the bird to know that you did it. In this case, turkey hunters are allowed to decide whether it's ok to them or not.

To your fair chase argument, it is not difficult to stalk within gun range of roosted birds especially after green up. Why do turkeys roost in trees? To escape predators. One they are in a tree, flushing from the roost is their absolute, last escape option. You almost have to walk directly underneath him. With leaves on the trees, it becomes a situation where you can't see him until he sees you and by that time you are in range.

"Fair chase" is something we each define, but if your argument here is that getting within gun range of a roosted bird is very difficult, I think you come up short.

Finally, I read your posts with enthusiasm and based on what I can tell you are a fairly new hunter. Most of us when we got started went through a stage where blood was what mattered. We lived for the kill, and we gladly walked the line between legal/illegal or ethical/unethical to get that next one. The rush was yo much for us to restrain.

Over the last few years, I have had the pleasure of introducing a lot of new turkey hunters to the sport we love. Getting them to look beyond the kill is one of the biggest challenges I face. Yes, we are there to harvest a bird and bring meat home. What I teach them though is we each get to decide how we do that. What is legal is our first standard, but individually we should strive for a higher standard than simply what is legal. For me, shooting a bird off the limb does not meet that standard.
 
WMAn said:
CatMan,

You have supported your decision to shoot the bird off the limb on the basis that it's legal and it's "fair chase" because of the difficulty of getting within range of a roosted tom.

Yes, it is legal. However, legal and illegal with regards to game and fish regulations represents only a minimum standard of conduct enforced by a regulatory agency to prevent sportsmen from doing harm to the game/fish species or harm to each other (public safety). In this case, there are not enough turkey hunters shooting birds off the limb to do harm, and it's not a public safety risk. Also, a good game/fish reg must be easily enforceable so even if a game agency wanted to make it illegal to shoot a bird off the limb. How could they enforce it? The officer would have to be within sight of you and the bird to know that you did it. In this case, turkey hunters are allowed to decide whether it's ok to them or not.

To your fair chase argument, it is not difficult to stalk within gun range of roosted birds especially after green up. Why do turkeys roost in trees? To escape predators. One they are in a tree, flushing from the roost is their absolute, last escape option. You almost have to walk directly underneath him. With leaves on the trees, it becomes a situation where you can't see him until he sees you and by that time you are in range.

"Fair chase" is something we each define, but if your argument here is that getting within gun range of a roosted bird is very difficult, I think you come up short.

Finally, I read your posts with enthusiasm and based on what I can tell you are a fairly new hunter. Most of us when we got started went through a stage where blood was what mattered. We lived for the kill, and we gladly walked the line between legal/illegal or ethical/unethical to get that next one. The rush was yo much for us to restrain.

Over the last few years, I have had the pleasure of introducing a lot of new turkey hunters to the sport we love. Getting them to look beyond the kill is one of the biggest challenges I face. Yes, we are there to harvest a bird and bring meat home. What I teach them though is we each get to decide how we do that. What is legal is our first standard, but individually we should strive for a higher standard than simply what is legal. For me, shooting a bird off the limb does not meet that standard.
Isn't it a great world we live in where we do not have to meet someone else's standards but only the broader standards set by regulation.

Congrats catman on a fine bird and a good hunt.
 
Do it YOUR way Cat, and if at some point in time you decide that its no longer cool for YOU to shoot one off the roost, then do it some other way. But always make it your decision as to how you want to hunt. There are too many judgement passers in our sport anyway for any of us to worry about what they think. "Well its all right now, I've learned my lesson well, you can't please everyone so you might as well please yourself"! The late Ricky Nelson, Garden Party.
 
i see both sides. congrats on a nice bird. i shot one off roost as well when i started. your perspective will change with experience
 
Thanks Beekeeper

WMAn, yes I am on my 2nd year of turkey hunting and glad to get another bird under my belt whenever I get the chance. I also want as much meat as I can kill legally because living with my family of 7 depletes my turkeys pretty quick.

You admit most of us as beginners go through the kill phase where we just got to kill a bird. I think that's true and in fact it seems normal so why is there a problem with it? Why do you try to get people to look past the kill when it seems to be a pretty normal phase? I know more experienced hunters who would still enjoy shooting one off the limb if they got the chance. I don't see how it's unethical...

It may not be that difficult to sneak up under a roosted bird, but I have no intention of specifically shooting birds off the roost when I hunt. It happened by chance and I took the chance and have meat in freezer and another set of spurs and I'm happy with it. That may not be your way of hunting which is totally fine, but I fail to see what is wrong with it. Trust me I'd rather have one come to my calls or stalk and ambush one. I even make calls so I can feel that sense of accomplishment when I call and kill one with a homemade call. But if I want a bird more than I want to "play the game" on any given day then I will shoot one from the limb if I happen to walk up on him.

Thanks for sharing your opinion without bashing... some people wouldn't be so nice and I don't care for what they have to say.
 

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