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"Also, Nico is paid by Spyre. His NIL deal wasn't contingent on him signing with Tennessee." -UT fan
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"Also, Nico is paid by Spyre. His NIL deal wasn't contingent on him signing with Tennessee." -UT fan
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Man, I know this is a TN based web forum full of UT fans, but the larger picture here is flying way over your head. Let's say the NCAA finds UT guilty…guess what happens next? They then have to find 10-15 other schools guilty as well because what UT did is happening at every big time college football school, whether the NCAA deems it legal or not. I missed all your posts on the FL thread and FSU thread…did you forget they are already being investigated for similar cases? There are really only 2 maybe 3 possible outcomes here. If UT loses, lots of schools lose. If UT wins, the NCAA is no longer relevant in major college football. The third option is the NCAA wising up and taking their ball back home in hopes that they are still allowed to govern college football. That'd be the wise thing for them to do.
 

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Notice you didn't reference the decades of Bama violations. It really must suck when the NIL levels the playing field with the cheaters.

I squirmed a little on the Gump deal last year because I knew we were in the wrong. I've talked to a couple of folks that have some ties to the inner circle and have zero worries about this round. I am pretty sure it will end up worse for the NCAA and not the Vols.
I have never denied Alabama's violations. Program paid the price for some time but what does that have to do with UT being in a current sh!t storm and trying to sue the NCAA so they don't get hammered?
 

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I have never denied Alabama's violations. Program paid the price for some time but what does that have to do with UT being in a current sh!t storm and trying to sue the NCAA so they don't get hammered?
They are suing the NCAA because they know they're in the right this time.

Riddle me this. Why would the AG of Virginia, a state with no relevant football or even basketball teams for that matter, join in on the suit? How does fit in with your narrative UT is suing the NCAA simply to avoid punishment?
 

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Man, I know this is a TN based web forum full of UT fans, but the larger picture here is flying way over your head. Let's say the NCAA finds UT guilty…guess what happens next? They then have to find 10-15 other schools guilty as well because what UT did is happening at every big time college football school, whether the NCAA deems it legal or not. I missed all your posts on the FL thread and FSU thread…did you forget they are already being investigated for similar cases? There are really only 2 maybe 3 possible outcomes here. If UT loses, lots of schools lose. If UT wins, the NCAA is no longer relevant in major college football. The third option is the NCAA wising up and taking their ball back home in hopes that they are still allowed to govern college football. That'd be the wise thing for them to do.
Yeah you missed me posting that FSU set a precedent for this allegation. It's not flying over my head—there have been recruiting rules in place for longer than this Wild Wild West NIL era has existed. Odds are that it's those rules that have been violated just like they were at FSU.
For TN and their fans to be so defensive without there even being a NOA from the NCAA stating what it is that they're actually being investigated for is very telling.

"What you do speaks so loudly I can't even hear what you're saying." -Nick Saban
 

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Yeah you missed me posting that FSU set a precedent for this allegation. It's not flying over my head—there have been recruiting rules in place for longer than this Wild Wild West NIL era has existed. Odds are that it's those rules that have been violated just like they were at FSU.
For TN and their fans to be so defensive without there even being a NOA from the NCAA stating what it is that they're actually being investigated for is very telling.

"What you do speaks so loudly I can't even hear what you're saying." -Nick Saban
What you do speaks so loudly I can't even hear what you're saying." -Nick Saban

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They are suing the NCAA because they know they're in the right this time.

Riddle me this. Why would the AG of Virginia, a state with no relevant football or even basketball teams for that matter, join in on the suit? How does fit in with your narrative UT is suing the NCAA simply to avoid punishment?
No they're not. They're suing to try and delay any consequences hoping they can stall it until the NCAA dissolves in order to try and win something of significance to restore relevance and preserve revenue. Follow the $$ my friend.
 

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No they're not. They're suing to try and delay any consequences hoping they can stall it until the NCAA dissolves in order to try and win something of significance to restore relevance and preserve revenue. Follow the $$ my friend.
And what exactly would make the NCAA dissolve? Oh idk, maybe trying to retroactively enforce loose, murky guidelines?

I was too young to understand what was actually going on when Fulmer turned Bama in for the recruiting violation, but by golly I'm starting to now understand just how butthurt it made all the Bama fans. Still aren't over it after all these years.
 

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I have full comprehension and totally understand the laws surrounding it. It's called a "sham" or "simulated" contract.
The statements and contract are made out to look like it's just a neutral NIL deal, when in fact Spyre is fully-coordinated with Tennessee football and the deal was absolutely contingent-in-fact on him attending Tennessee.
Just because you put magic words in a contract and say you're paying John Doe $7mil for his perceived success as a neutral entity, but not as a bribe, doesn't make it not a bribe.
Actually @scn is 100% correct that Nico could cash all spyre checks he wanted being a ha kid in Cali. You said it was illegal and it's not. He's got full grasp on the rules in situation and he's correct that spyre's lawyer who is known for having beaten the NCAA on several other cases in the past did draft the contract and specifically put in there it did obligate Nico to sign with UT. It doesn't matter that spyre only has deals with UT players or is in Knoxville. It's the same thing bama's collective is doing. I think it's called yeabama or so thug like that. Same thing "the sprint" collective for ole miss is doing and every collective is doing for their schools. That's why all National guys are saying all the ohher gates should join this suit. Here is the release tat lawyer that did nicos contract put out. Tom something or other but again he's well versed in ncaa laws and has beaten them in court many times. All of this was prepared for
 

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And what exactly would make the NCAA dissolve? Oh idk, maybe trying to retroactively enforce loose, murky guidelines?

I was too young to understand what was actually going on when Fulmer turned Bama in for the recruiting violation, but by golly I'm starting to now understand just how butthurt it made all the Bama fans. Still aren't over it after all these years.
It's not gonna dissolve the corrupt ncaa but it takes almost all their power to penalize players and schools away. They will be down to setting rules like the 85 scholarship limit per team. They will be a toothless organization. Also Fulmer didn't turn as much in on bama as spurrier and Florida did but their hate for UT and Fulmer beating them keeps them spinning that narrative. Multiple schools turned them in and they all gave the same info on them.
 
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I have never denied Alabama's violations. Program paid the price for some time but what does that have to do with UT being in a current sh!t storm and trying to sue the NCAA so they don't get hammered?
Because y'all have a collective too and it's not you this round but y'all will be next or soon. This stems from the ncaa saying you cannot discuss nil with a player until they've signed with a school because that is inducement to sign for that school. All schools are talking nil deals to recruits before they sign and it's well known. The NCAA is making and changing rules on the fly. What they are actually trying to stick UT with wasn't a spelled out rule which this alleged violation occurred. They are trying to retroactively apply a rule to them. They can easily do the same to any school. You've said one thing 100% correct so far. Follow the money…the NCAA wars their cut of this nil money and as of right now they get zero. That's what this is truly about.
 

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And what exactly would make the NCAA dissolve? Oh idk, maybe trying to retroactively enforce loose, murky guidelines?

I was too young to understand what was actually going on when Fulmer turned Bama in for the recruiting violation, but by golly I'm starting to now understand just how butthurt it made all the Bama fans. Still aren't over it after all these years.
Schools that cheat trying to bring legal action against the governing body of collegiate athletics so they can freely cheat without facing consequences.

Fulmer turning Alabama in and the secret witness BS just further fueled the rivalry. It gained UT the most successful 10 or so years in the programs history that has led to the mindset of UT fans thinking they're a blue blood of college football without the trophy case to back up the claims. Not to mention the nearly 2 decades of bottom dwelling due to poor coaching hires. I could go on but will spare you….
 

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Actually @scn is 100% correct that Nico could cash all spyre checks he wanted being a ha kid in Cali. You said it was illegal and it's not. He's got full grasp on the rules in situation and he's correct that spyre's lawyer who is known for having beaten the NCAA on several other cases in the past did draft the contract and specifically put in there it did obligate Nico to sign with UT. It doesn't matter that spyre only has deals with UT players or is in Knoxville. It's the same thing bama's collective is doing. I think it's called yeabama or so thug like that. Same thing "the sprint" collective for ole miss is doing and every collective is doing for their schools. That's why all National guys are saying all the ohher gates should join this suit. Here is the release tat lawyer that did nicos contract put out. Tom something or other but again he's well versed in ncaa laws and has beaten them in court many times. All of this was prepared for
I said it is illegal to be paying him as an inducement to sign with UT. Spin it all you want. Defend the head of Spyre in that YouTube video I posted. 😂 you can't and nor can anyone else regardless of whatever legalese is used.
Their "contract" is a sham. If this kid signed with Ball State do you think his agreement with Spyre would still have been worth, what was it all y'all have been claiming since he signed, 7-8mil?
 

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The next few weeks are going to be interesting. It is really high stakes poker at this point. If the Vols lose, they are probably dead for a decade. If the NCAA loses, they may be out of business. I don't think any quarter will be given on either side.

If my old memory is correct, Tom Mars was a NCAA lawyer for many years. I highly suspect that in working for Spyre that he dotted all of the i's and crossed all of the t's correctly. And, I highly suspect with the Gump rulings hanging over their heads that TN was extremely careful to follow the letter of the law in place at the time. I don't think the courts will let the NCAA retroactively try to enforce regs that weren't in place when any alleged violations took place. Law just doesn't work that way.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I can see a scenario where NIco goes from being a millionaire to a billionaire if the NCAA continues their stupidity.
 

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Because y'all have a collective too and it's not you this round but y'all will be next or soon. This stems from the ncaa saying you cannot discuss nil with a player until they've signed with a school because that is inducement to sign for that school. All schools are talking nil deals to recruits before they sign and it's well known. The NCAA is making and changing rules on the fly. What they are actually trying to stick UT with wasn't a spelled out rule which this alleged violation occurred. They are trying to retroactively apply a rule to them. They can easily do the same to any school. You've said one thing 100% correct so far. Follow the money…the NCAA wars their cut of this nil money and as of right now they get zero. That's what this is truly about.
Don't care. There are rules already in place. If Alabama breaks them then they deserve the punishments. I'm not a "well they did it too so that makes it ok" kind of guy.
How do you know they are retroactively trying to apply a rule? You nor I or anyone else knows with 100% certainty what rule the NCAA is claiming was violated. Everyone just knows the NCAA is investigating.
This is the NCAA's fault on the NIL stuff and having not been more prepared to have better guidelines in place prior to the ruling that caused all this crap to begin with. That said, there have been rules in place regarding recruiting long before NIL became a thing. My guess is that is what they're going after much like they did with FSU.
 

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So, wonder when the school south of here will be investigated. Per their collective Q&A before an athlete can be paid they have to follow not only federal, state, ncaa and sec rules they have to follow Alabama rules? So for their collective any athlete, no matter where they play must abide by UA rules. In some's eyes this would indicate that signing/playing for UA is a stipulation to signing up and would this not be comsidered an inducement?

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Schools that cheat trying to bring legal action against the governing body of collegiate athletics so they can freely cheat without facing consequences.

Fulmer turning Alabama in and the secret witness BS just further fueled the rivalry. It gained UT the most successful 10 or so years in the programs history that has led to the mindset of UT fans thinking they're a blue blood of college football without the trophy case to back up the claims. Not to mention the nearly 2 decades of bottom dwelling due to poor coaching hires. I could go on but will spare
Our downfall has been 20 yrs of bad hires, don't think that is our case now, remember the Shula years, your whole fan base needs to come to earth, you will never have a coach like Saban, enjoy.
 
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