Oompa Loompa Deer

Ski

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I was bored & organizing trail cam photos of this season so far and noticed something funny. I've mentioned before about how the deer around this area of TN are weencie teencie tiny but never felt I could fully convey what I meant because they just look like deer in pictures. Best I can describe them is they're nearly identical to the coues deer out west. No idea the cause of the phenomena. I've heard conflicting reasoning from reliable sources and I'm not sure who's right. One camp says they're coastal deer brought in and released on nearby AEDC for reintroduction some decades ago. The other camp says it's impossible for the reintroduction deer to still be around because generations of interbreeding would have washed out any discernible differences. Whatever the reason, there are indeed tiny deer here. Go 20 miles any direction and they seem to get back to normal size, and ever so often I also get one of the normal sized deer coming around the property but I've never seen them mingling with the small deer nor had them in trail cam pics that showed the difference. But I do now. Here's a few set of pics that show what I usually see around here and for comparison a normal size deer on same camera.

This first set of pics is a tiny deer on July 30th then a normal deer 1st August. Both bucks are similar stature, standing in similar spots, but one is obviously much larger in every way. Proportions are same but scale is different.
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This second set of pics is a bachelor group of bucks to show it's not just an oddball tiny deer. They're all like that. And again standing in similar location and similar angle is the normal buck, also roughly same age as small buck with stretched out neck. I don't get a normal size deer very often and almost never get them in a situation like this so it's cool when I can visually compare their pics side by side with the oompa loompas.
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And these last few pics are of my first velvet hunt......but don't laugh. I'd had a nice 10pt on cam all summer that had a full pretty rack that was out well past his ears and beams out to tip of nose, symmetrical minus one stumped brow. Keep in mind I'm from Ohio so up to this hunt I was relating a 10pt buck out past his ears with a 200lb+ animal that would easily bust the P&Y threshold. There was a big tall 8pt running with him so my brother came down from Ohio to hunt with me in hopes we'd double up on what would be either of our first velvet bucks. We looked at dozens of trail cam pics of both bucks and agreed they were shooters. Well as luck would have it I got a shot on the 10. As we walked up to see the dead buck my brother burst out into hysterical laughter. He'd never seen such a miniature buck and didn't know something like that even existed. In trail cams it looked like a full grown buck. But in person it was about like a medium dog. He took a picture of me as I was picking its head up and I dwarf that buck. My bow was literally longer than the deer's body. For scale those arrows in the quiver are 29" long.
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Very interesting.
I killed 2 does at Lake Barkley State Park one year.
They were TINY.
Strange thing was the ranger aged them at 5 1/2 & 6 1/2.

I bet @Wildcat remembers that. LOL 🤣 🤣
 

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Super cool! Makes it impossible to judge antler scores.

Like the Canadian whitetails but in the opposite direction. People have shown me kill pics from their trip to Canada. What looks like a 130in buck in the photo is actually 150 by the tape. 300lb body though.

Most of my deer are very similar in size, but I did kill a giant buck a 3 or 4 years ago that was 250lbs and 133in. I thought he was 115 by trail cam pics. He wasn't obese, just a huge long framed body.

We killed a tiny 4.5 yo 15 yrs ago off same farm we had been hunting hard. Had him right at 140in based on pics, but he only scored 125in, because he was a midget. 4.5yo and 160lbs live.
 

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We've always talked about that at our camp. The deer we've killed over the last 23 years on our place vary. Some bucks are long and tall (huge), while others are short and like a block (bulky). 2 different body types for sure
 

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Super cool! Makes it impossible to judge antler scores.

It most definitely does that! It's exactly the opposite of Canadian deer. Ground shrinkage isn't as shocking to me now that I've been here several years and killed a few "good" bucks. My biggest in TN so far is 121" and it looked huge until I walked up to it. The 92yr old farmer said it was the biggest buck he'd ever seen on that farm in his life. Until that the biggest is hanging on his wall, a 115" 10pt. Hard to imagine what a 130" frame would look like on one of these lil buggers 😂 But at least I know what to expect. It's a mental adjustment to keep the score relative. Killing a 5yr old 118"-120" buck is as much accomplishment as killing a 5yr old 150's on my place in OH.
 

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We've always talked about that at our camp. The deer we've killed over the last 23 years on our place vary. Some bucks are long and tall (huge), while others are short and like a block (bulky). 2 different body types for sure

Yeah it's weird for sure. I've heard the deer here are so small because of bad soil equaling low nutrition in their food. And that's believable until you see a normal deer walk out and it over scales everything by a mile. I showed my kid the pics above plus a bunch of others I haven't posted, and he pointed out something I didn't initially notice. The small deer are a different color. They're red. The normal sized deer are pale. I'm not sure if that's relative to their size difference or not. I'm gona go through previous years' of pictures to see if that's actually a thing. I have noticed color variations in the past but never gave it much thought because I figured it was just that, variations, especially during seasonal changes.
 

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I don't have dwarf deer necessarily but a fully mature buck at my property usually averages about 160lbs. We have killed a 180lb deer before and I killed a 6.5 year old 10 pt some years back that was probably 180-200lbs but didn't weigh it. 25 miles straight west at my buddy's farm he's killed several bucks over 200lbs. Biggest being 232lbs. I have crop land around me so food sources are great. But I see a big difference from mine to his on body weights.
 

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Deer, just like people, vary dramatically in body size. I'll see bucks - same property, same age - that look a foot taller at the shoulder than other bucks. Just like some men are 5' 6" and some are 6' 6".
 

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a fully mature buck at my property usually averages about 160lbs

That would be a rare stud around here. The few normal deer I see would be like that, but the oompa loompas I'd guess don't get much over 100lbs or maybe 120lbs live weight.

I killed these two bucks last season. The first one would have been a 3yr old 6pt if he hadn't broken his brows. He's a "normal" size deer and weighed probably 150ish. He was bullying everything including does to the point I wasn't seeing anything except for him, so I killed him. Literally the next morning I killed the 10pt in the second pic. According to years of trail cam pics he was i think 5yrs old. With the bully gone all the other deer came out. There were 3 other bucks and a dozen does in the field when I pulled the trigger. He was so small that I threw him over my shoulder and flopped him into the bed of my Ram 2500 without even field dressing. The fork horn I had to stand in the bed and hoist up.

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My place, extremely tall buck. 3 1/2, 221 lbs live weight.
 

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That is interesting. I know one here will argue, but there is no doubt in my mind that there are pocket areas of deer with genetics going back to the deer that were introduced to those areas, leaving then still carrying some of those traits.
 

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