you think he would go P&Y?

More pics, more angles, and I may agree he'll score higher than I currently think, but have sure over-scored several based on limited summer data and bucks in velvet.

Not to say this isn't a beautiful buck, and personally, I care very little about "score".
But if it's important to the shooter that this one makes P&Y (which is 125 NET) , I wouldn't assume that, yet --- need more data.

IMO, this buck would NEED to gross score around 135 to assure a net score of that 125 minimum. Am assuming that "matters" to the opening poster based on how he framed the title -- "you think he would go P&Y"?

TheLBLman":1yxcl7zk said:

If he's small bodied, his antlers appear much larger than their reality; if he's big bodied, they appear smaller than actual size.

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Agreed, and my gut tells me he's mature in the last pic and more than likely a bigger bodied buck (dress 160#+). He already has a heck of a neck in August compared to the skinny necks we typically see, and this really leads me to believe his rack is better than most assume. I am like you, I hope he kills him soon so he can tape him and see where he lands. :tu:

TheLBLman":2q1msl63 said:

IMO, this buck would NEED to gross score around 135 to assure a net score of that 125 minimum.

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Ditto

Here are a few more pics from about a month ago. I believe this is a mature deer and do think he is still in velvet. I really appreciate the comments and opinions. 24 days to go!

BTW i am using Moultrie MLB blackflash cams. They have been good for 2 yrs but this yr 2 of them will only function on the timelapse mode. I dont know if the sensor went out or what but it wont take a pic on motion detect unless you are like 5 ft from it.

Very mature, 3rd pic is a no brainer.

I really dont care about "score" either. Im drawing if i see him, no questions asked, my luck he will be 124 7/8 lol! I just really enjoy seeing them on camera and then going after him. I have taken a couple of deer that wouldnt go 115 but i had them on camera and that was the deer that got me fired up i wanted to go after.

I do believe this buck is 5 1/2 or older ---- fully mature one.
That makes him a true "trophy" buck in my "book", no matter what he scores or doesn't.

Classic beautiful rack on a mature buck!

JDUB":1cf4htxu said:

BTW i am using Moultrie MLB blackflash cams.

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Good to know, and here is why. Over the last five years, my buddy and I have been analyzing our "guesses" on gross scores during hard horn, and for the bucks that were killed, we were almost always underestimating their total mass measurement, and this was especially true for IR and Black Flash cam pics taken at night, which is when we get the majority of our good bucks. The take away message for us is the mass is almost always better than we estimate for a night time hard horn picture taken with an IR or BF camera, typically between Oct-Dec time frame.

JDUB":3c2rde15 said:

I really dont care about "score" either. Im drawing if i see him, no questions asked,

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Good luck, I really hope you get him as I can tell he has your attention.

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Andy S.":2xnhc7ug said:

JDUB":2xnhc7ug said:

BTW i am using Moultrie MLB blackflash cams.

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Good to know, and here is why. Over the last five years, my buddy and I have been analyzing our "guesses" on gross scores during hard horn, and for the bucks that were killed, we were almost always underestimating their total mass measurement, and this was especially true for IR and Black Flash cam pics taken at night, which is when we get the majority of our good bucks. The take away message for us is the mass is almost always better than we estimate for a night time hard horn picture taken with an IR or BF camera, typically between Oct-Dec time frame.

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I have the exact same problem Andy. I have seen several bucks on cam that I thought were pencil thin antlers and come to find out later that they were 5" bases


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^^^^^^Eggggxactly! :tu:

Looks like he is 4.5 at least and I stand by my guess 120's , his mass looks lacking....However last year a buddy had a deer I would bet my account was 130ish but turned out 151! Lol

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I130? 140? Mature?

That sucker is going in the freezer if he gets near me,


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