Switching to video and storage space

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For those switching to or collecting a lot of video with their trail-cameras: if you keep your pictures/videos, get ready to buy some back-up drives! I thought a Terabyte drive would do. Nope. Next purchase was a 2 Terabyte drive. That will last! Nope. My new FIVE Terabyte portable drive just arrived from Amazon. We'll see how long this one last...
 

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🤣 Are you saving high resolution video of everything that walks by your camera and keeping it forever?
I've saved every trail-camera picture or video I've ever captured. I even have boxes and boxes of developed film pictures.

Just the digital images (starting in the early 2000s) for my own property total around a quarter million. From my clients, several million images.
 

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I've saved every trail-camera picture or video I've ever captured. I even have boxes and boxes of developed film pictures.

Just the digital images (starting in the early 2000s) for my own property total around a quarter million. From my clients, several million images.

That's exhausting! I used to save a few doe pics, then only bucks, and now only 2yr+ bucks. If I get more than one pic/video of a buck at one time then I'll choose the best one to save and delete the rest. The "best" pic is relative to angle. I like having all angle views of any one buck so I can easily identify him no matter what.

For my "target" bucks that I'm interested in pursuing, I give them each their own folder and I keep an excel spreadsheet charting when they're on property. Blue highlight for night and yellow highlight for day. It's surprisingly patternable from year to year where a given buck will be same place same time consecutive years. Certainly not every buck and every year, but enough. Mostly what I'm looking for is an outlier span of consecutive days where a particular buck daylights. Chances are better than good it's because he's tending a doe and he'll be back doing the exact same thing again the following season, if both deer are still alive because that doe will be in estrus exactly same time again. I've killed my biggest bucks on that pattern.
 

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For my "target" bucks that I'm interested in pursuing, I give them each their own folder and I keep an excel spreadsheet charting when they're on property. Blue highlight for night and yellow highlight for day. It's surprisingly patternable from year to year where a given buck will be same place same time consecutive years. Certainly not every buck and every year, but enough. Mostly what I'm looking for is an outlier span of consecutive days where a particular buck daylights. Chances are better than good it's because he's tending a doe and he'll be back doing the exact same thing again the following season, if both deer are still alive because that doe will be in estrus exactly same time again. I've killed my biggest bucks on that pattern.
That's a fascinating way to analyze your trail-cam data. I'm going to have to think on that a while. Interesting manner of noticing patterns of individual bucks.

Surprisingly, as much of a trail-camera user as I am, I've never used a trail-cam as a scouting tool. All of my trail-cam use is about running season-long photo censuses. That is an important fact, because often I have to keep the trial-cameras strategically spread across a property, even keeping some in low odds locations just to make sure I don't miss a buck using just one section of the property. This requirement often precludes my opportunity to "chase" a buck's travel pattern. Even if I'm curious as to where a buck goes after he leaves a camera location where I'm getting his picture frequently, I often can't spare an extra camera to place one close by. I have to keep the cameras spread out to cover the whole property adequately.

Now that doesn't mean I don't learn a lot from my census data that makes me a more successful hunter. That data most certainly does help.
 

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Surprisingly, as much of a trail-camera user as I am, I've never used a trail-cam as a scouting tool. All of my trail-cam use is about running season-long photo censuses. That is an important fact, because often I have to keep the trial-cameras strategically spread across a property, even keeping some in low odds locations just to make sure I don't miss a buck using just one section of the property. This requirement often precludes my opportunity to "chase" a buck's travel pattern. Even if I'm curious as to where a buck goes after he leaves a camera location where I'm getting his picture frequently, I often can't spare an extra camera to place one close by. I have to keep the cameras spread out to cover the whole property adequately.

I glean some semblance of census, albeit limited, by having cameras set up to monitor buck activity. While my focus is honing in on specific bucks, I'd guess our criteria for camera placement is probably the same. My locations are food plots, scrapes, water holes, trails in between, and pinch points. Most of my mock scrapes are in a pinch point or hub of travel.

Remember those connect the dots worksheets we used to do in grade school? That's exactly how I chart unique buck movement with cams. When a particular buck is on the property I generally don't only get him on one cam. He'll be on multiple cams. By using the timestamp I can draw a line from cam to cam to see his exact travel path and how long it takes. If he hits the same spots in the same order most times he's on the property, then I have learned his preferred tendencies. And that is golden. Furthermore, if I notice a time lapse in the middle of his travel, such as I catch him at 8am in a plot, 830am a couple hundred yards away at a scrape, then he's at another plot in the same line but at 4pm, then I know he bedded down. Not only do I know he bedded but I know roughly where. And if this happens with relative frequency, especially in consecutive years, I've got him by the balls.

That's one example of how I use the trail cams. It takes a lot of cams per acreage and it's almost never that I figure a buck out inside a single season, unless he's a complete homebody. That does sometimes happens. Other times a buck might be completely random with the only pattern being that he can't be patterned. But most bucks fall in the middle of the spectrum with having some idiosyncrasy that repeatably and predictably shows up. I suspect whatever lessons he learned that allowed him to get old also make him vulnerable because it dictates how he behaves, and once I figure out what that unique behavior is I can begin planning a way to exploit it. More often than not the buck makes a fool of me, but often enough I win.
 

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That's exhausting! I used to save a few doe pics, then only bucks, and now only 2yr+ bucks. If I get more than one pic/video of a buck at one time then I'll choose the best one to save and delete the rest. The "best" pic is relative to angle. I like having all angle views of any one buck so I can easily identify him no matter what.

For my "target" bucks that I'm interested in pursuing, I give them each their own folder and I keep an excel spreadsheet charting when they're on property. Blue highlight for night and yellow highlight for day. It's surprisingly patternable from year to year where a given buck will be same place same time consecutive years. Certainly not every buck and every year, but enough. Mostly what I'm looking for is an outlier span of consecutive days where a particular buck daylights. Chances are better than good it's because he's tending a doe and he'll be back doing the exact same thing again the following season, if both deer are still alive because that doe will be in estrus exactly same time again. I've killed my biggest bucks on that pattern.
I need to adopt this type plan. There is no way I will ever go through all the pics I have stored between external hard drive and thumb drives. I need to dramatically thin down what i have.
 

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I need to adopt this type plan. There is no way I will ever go through all the pics I have stored between external hard drive and thumb drives. I need to dramatically thin down what i have.

It can get overwhelming for sure. For years I saved everything because I wasn't sure what I'd need to reference later. Over time I've learned from experience that there are only certain things I'm really looking for when looking back, so those are the types of pictures I now try to save. I delete the rest. Sometimes it's hard to delete pics of a big ole buck, but really how many pics of the same buck at the same place at the same time does a guy really need?
 

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It can get overwhelming for sure. For years I saved everything because I wasn't sure what I'd need to reference later.
As a researcher, that's why I keep and record EVERYTHING! Currently, I'm going back through all my data and looking for interesting stuff. Amazing what you can find if you're willing to look through a quarter million trail-cam pics!
 

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I definitely don't save everything. I will save the first fawn pics I get each year - those are about the only ones I save of does/fawns….unless something is unique or an unusually high number of deer in a photo/video. For bucks, I'll go through and save all the angles and all the different locations each buck visits. My saved pics/videos are all "racked" bucks. I do not save any spikes or fork horns. I'll keep a general number of these small bucks in my head just for knowledge, but that's about it with them. I have no need in keeping them - 9 times out of 10, a 2.5 or older buck can't be traced back from when they were a spike or 3 or 4 pt. Now, if they start to have some width/height or maybe some browtines, those can certainly be traced back to years past - those pics are saved.
 

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As a researcher, that's why I keep and record EVERYTHING! Currently, I'm going back through all my data and looking for interesting stuff. Amazing what you can find if you're willing to look through a quarter million trail-cam pics!

Hahaha you can have it! I had to decide if I was going to be a researcher or a hunter because as I'm sure you're even more aware than me, organizing & managing all those pics/vids can be a full time effort. I had to trim some fat.
 

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For bucks, I'll go through and save all the angles and all the different locations each buck visits. My saved pics/videos are all "racked" bucks. I do not save any spikes or fork horns. I'll keep a general number of these small bucks in my head just for knowledge, but that's about it with them.

That's exactly how I do it. 2.5yrs & older bucks. I only save pics of does & fawns if it's something out of the ordinary such as a piebald or a fawn with spots in December. Everything else just takes up space. I'm sure BSK is correct that there are some golden nuggets hidden in that old data if you've saved it, but I accept that it's information I will decidedly forego learning. To me that juice isn't worth the squeeze.

That said I do keep a mental note of how many mother does I have on the property each year, how many fawns each one has, how many bare does, and roughly how many young bucks. All those numbers seem to be fairly steady every year but it's hard to say for certain. I very well could be missing incremental changes that I don't notice until it's a problem.
 

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Storage space, battery life, and time required to review data are the main draw backs of video to me. I still put a few on video mode every once in a while though
 

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Storage space, battery life, and time required to review data are the main draw backs of video to me.
For me, those two are biggies. I've had to upgrade to 128 GB fast transfer rate (nothing less than 100 m/s) SD cards in my cameras to handle the storage space, as well as upgrade back-up drives for my PC. And the time to review data? Wow! A lot! I've asked my clients NOT to use video mode while running their censuses. I can live with it for my property as I'm only running 7-8 cameras, but a client running 25+? That would be too much video to go through.
 

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That's exhausting! I used to save a few doe pics, then only bucks, and now only 2yr+ bucks. If I get more than one pic/video of a buck at one time then I'll choose the best one to save and delete the rest. The "best" pic is relative to angle. I like having all angle views of any one buck so I can easily identify him no matter what.

For my "target" bucks that I'm interested in pursuing, I give them each their own folder and I keep an excel spreadsheet charting when they're on property. Blue highlight for night and yellow highlight for day. It's surprisingly patternable from year to year where a given buck will be same place same time consecutive years. Certainly not every buck and every year, but enough. Mostly what I'm looking for is an outlier span of consecutive days where a particular buck daylights. Chances are better than good it's because he's tending a doe and he'll be back doing the exact same thing again the following season, if both deer are still alive because that doe will be in estrus exactly same time again. I've killed my biggest bucks on that pattern.
Going to start this excel sheet this year.
 

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