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<blockquote data-quote="sun" data-source="post: 4982508" data-attributes="member: 8678"><p>The BPCR smokeless loading is only being mentioned to show that 4198 can be used in antique conversion guns made with antique steel.</p><p>In the early smokeless era, there were weak smokeless powders and bulk semi-smokeless powders that more approximated black powder characteristics which aren't produced anymore.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.chuckhawks.com/schultz_powder.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>One such smokeless was named Schultze powder which can be read about on Chuckhawks. --->>> <a href="https://www.chuckhawks.com/real_blackpowder_substitute.htm" target="_blank">https://www.chuckhawks.com/real_blackpowder_substitute.htm</a></p><p>Another was named King's Semi-smokeless.</p><p></p><p>What is semi-smokeless powder?</p><p>"<strong>Semi</strong>-<strong>smokeless powder</strong> was a mechanical mixture of mostly black <strong>powder</strong> and a fairly small proportion of nitrocellulose. It was useful because it could be loaded bulk-for-bulk with black and had similar ballistic properties but left significantly less fouling in the bore." --->>> <a href="https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=13511#:~:text=Semi-smokeless%20powder%20was%20a,less%20fouling%20in%20the%20bore" target="_blank">https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=13511#:~:text=Semi-smokeless powder was a,less fouling in the bore</a></p><p></p><p>Here's a short interesting thread titled "<strong>Pyroxylin and semi smokeless</strong>" alternative powders: --->>> <a href="https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=588661" target="_blank">https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=588661</a></p><p></p><p>The point is that since not all smokeless powders and loads are the same, then why try to characterize all of them as having the same amount of danger?</p><p>Each smokeless powder charge would need to be judged on its own merits considering the quality of the barrel steel and other individual load factors.</p><p></p><p>For instance, the Kings semi-smokeless was used in original C&B revolvers that were made using much weaker steel than is used in reproduction C&B revolvers today.</p><p>The fact that it was recommended and safely used by experts can't be denied.</p><p>The Ruger Old Army was originally proof tested with full chambers of Bullseye powder.</p><p>The North American Arms Companion and Super Companion .22 C&B revolvers were originally advertised as safe to be loaded with Bullseye until the Fed's threatened to remove their classification as an antique if they didn't change the recommended load listed in their owner's manuals.</p><p>But many people currently load them with 1-2 grains of Bullseye powder depending on which model.</p><p>Otherwise the guns have very anemic performance for use as personal protection with BP and substitutes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sun, post: 4982508, member: 8678"] The BPCR smokeless loading is only being mentioned to show that 4198 can be used in antique conversion guns made with antique steel. In the early smokeless era, there were weak smokeless powders and bulk semi-smokeless powders that more approximated black powder characteristics which aren't produced anymore. [IMG]https://www.chuckhawks.com/schultz_powder.jpg[/IMG] One such smokeless was named Schultze powder which can be read about on Chuckhawks. --->>> [URL]https://www.chuckhawks.com/real_blackpowder_substitute.htm[/URL] Another was named King's Semi-smokeless. What is semi-smokeless powder? "[B]Semi[/B]-[B]smokeless powder[/B] was a mechanical mixture of mostly black [B]powder[/B] and a fairly small proportion of nitrocellulose. It was useful because it could be loaded bulk-for-bulk with black and had similar ballistic properties but left significantly less fouling in the bore." --->>> [URL='https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=13511#:~:text=Semi-smokeless%20powder%20was%20a,less%20fouling%20in%20the%20bore']https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=13511#:~:text=Semi-smokeless powder was a,less fouling in the bore[/URL] Here's a short interesting thread titled "[B]Pyroxylin and semi smokeless[/B]" alternative powders: --->>> [URL]https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=588661[/URL] The point is that since not all smokeless powders and loads are the same, then why try to characterize all of them as having the same amount of danger? Each smokeless powder charge would need to be judged on its own merits considering the quality of the barrel steel and other individual load factors. For instance, the Kings semi-smokeless was used in original C&B revolvers that were made using much weaker steel than is used in reproduction C&B revolvers today. The fact that it was recommended and safely used by experts can't be denied. The Ruger Old Army was originally proof tested with full chambers of Bullseye powder. The North American Arms Companion and Super Companion .22 C&B revolvers were originally advertised as safe to be loaded with Bullseye until the Fed's threatened to remove their classification as an antique if they didn't change the recommended load listed in their owner's manuals. But many people currently load them with 1-2 grains of Bullseye powder depending on which model. Otherwise the guns have very anemic performance for use as personal protection with BP and substitutes. [/QUOTE]
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