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<blockquote data-quote="Headhunter" data-source="post: 5056392" data-attributes="member: 652"><p>Steve, you must be a politician to. Other than what my friends in the local government told me about what the TWF "DID NOT ASK FOR" every single thing I said is FACT. You find that "laughable"?</p><p></p><p>I was told the TWF did not try to stop the greenway, not at all, and the TWF suggested the guard rail that cuts off 99 percent of access to the WMA for hunters and fishermen along Stones River Rd. Micheal Butler and Chad Whittenburg were who reperesented the TWF as far as I know at that time and they are useless in my opinion. Almost ZERO communication, and Chad told me personally the TWF recommended the guard rail so that along with everything else is FACT.</p><p></p><p>I was only told about ONE meeting by the TWF and myself and several others showed up, and we would have been at any other meetings if we would have known. I asked the TWF to be involved, I was told in person by Michael Butler and Chad Whittenburg that myself and anyone else who wanted to would be. They did not communicate anything to me (the only communication from them was the greenway would not be put there if they had anything to do with it). Since it was Bart Gordon's "personal pet" I told them good luck with that but would sure appreciate any help in preserving the hunting land. When I told them that, the only other time they communicated with me they said they were going to get the Poole Knobs campground opened to hunting if the land along the creek was lost.</p><p></p><p>The greenway is there, that is a fact, I guess that is laughable, I have not hunted there because I have had other places to go, I will next year though, going to be interesting walking the greenway with bow, shotgun, muzzleloader, treestand, decoys, etc. with the greenway walkers. Or, can I just hunt the Poole Knobs campground and say the TWF said that was the exchange for the land lost to the greenway? I am thinking the land on the La Vergne side of the creek is lost to hunting, I don't know, and a spot where I used to have some great duck hunts, is about 70 yards from the greenway, that will be interesting, well if ducks show up.</p><p></p><p>The guard rail is there, that is a fact. Except for the boat ramp, the guard rail cut off all the access to the WMA along Stones River Rd for hunters and fishermen. That is a fact. Laughable to people like you I guess.</p><p></p><p>When all this was happening, I called the TWF many, many times. Being upset with the TWF isn't that the greenway happened, but that the TWF did not communicate and for sure did not involve hunters who wanted to be and no one had a clue about the guard rail, and they had known, many fishermen would have been involved to. Micheal Butler is no better than the worst politician I have ever met and I believe Chad has been gone for several years, but he was even worse than a politician.</p><p></p><p>The only time I heard from the TWF after everything happened was when I ran into Chad in Gatlinburg, he told me the greenway issue went great in La Vergne. I laughed at him and called him an idiot. Michael or Chad never said anything to anyone about whatever dealing went on with the city of La Vergne and the corps (I wasn't the only hunter against the greenway, several years before a bunch of great land was lost in Smyrna to the park near Gilsville). ZERO communication and Chad told me the TWF suggested the guard rail along Stones River Rd. Know what good that did? Nothing. He said it was to prevent the 4 wheelers from riding on the WMA, it did not prevent any 4 wheelers using the WMA, actually made it worse I think. 4 Wheelers are on the WMA all the time.</p><p></p><p>Also, the 2 people, Jerry Gann and Robin Grubb who worked for La Vergne parks, pushing the greenway were liars and lied to my face, I wish I would have recorded what they told me in person and then later on the same day they the said the exact opposite when they were interviewed by Jerry Barlar from channel 2, after he walked the creek and interviewed me, Robin and Jerry said 2 completely different things). They told me, on more than one occasion, they intended to end all hunting in the La Vergne city limits, especially on the WMA. They told Jerry Barlar (after he interviewed me) a few hours later that they did not want to see any loss of hunting land and wanted to work with the hunters. They bold faced lied and even after they said that in the interview that was televised, they would see me around La Vergne and tell me to enjoy hunting, because the days of hunting in La Vergne were ending. Jerry Gann and Robin Grubb (and other reps from several other cities from around middle Tennessee actually went to the state legislature to try change control of hunting inside city limits to each city government, luckily that was shot down), I remember Robin and Jerry laughing at me and telling me they would make sure I would get arrested if I got caught hunting on the WMA inside the city limits.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, Steve, you are wrong, you need to research something before you call it laughable. And mine is not the only bad experience with the TWF either. When all this happened, I was told the TWF would be no help when it came to the greenway. Not because of it being Bart Gordon's pet, but because the TWF is useless. I did not believe the people who told me that at the time, but they were correct.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Headhunter, post: 5056392, member: 652"] Steve, you must be a politician to. Other than what my friends in the local government told me about what the TWF "DID NOT ASK FOR" every single thing I said is FACT. You find that "laughable"? I was told the TWF did not try to stop the greenway, not at all, and the TWF suggested the guard rail that cuts off 99 percent of access to the WMA for hunters and fishermen along Stones River Rd. Micheal Butler and Chad Whittenburg were who reperesented the TWF as far as I know at that time and they are useless in my opinion. Almost ZERO communication, and Chad told me personally the TWF recommended the guard rail so that along with everything else is FACT. I was only told about ONE meeting by the TWF and myself and several others showed up, and we would have been at any other meetings if we would have known. I asked the TWF to be involved, I was told in person by Michael Butler and Chad Whittenburg that myself and anyone else who wanted to would be. They did not communicate anything to me (the only communication from them was the greenway would not be put there if they had anything to do with it). Since it was Bart Gordon's "personal pet" I told them good luck with that but would sure appreciate any help in preserving the hunting land. When I told them that, the only other time they communicated with me they said they were going to get the Poole Knobs campground opened to hunting if the land along the creek was lost. The greenway is there, that is a fact, I guess that is laughable, I have not hunted there because I have had other places to go, I will next year though, going to be interesting walking the greenway with bow, shotgun, muzzleloader, treestand, decoys, etc. with the greenway walkers. Or, can I just hunt the Poole Knobs campground and say the TWF said that was the exchange for the land lost to the greenway? I am thinking the land on the La Vergne side of the creek is lost to hunting, I don't know, and a spot where I used to have some great duck hunts, is about 70 yards from the greenway, that will be interesting, well if ducks show up. The guard rail is there, that is a fact. Except for the boat ramp, the guard rail cut off all the access to the WMA along Stones River Rd for hunters and fishermen. That is a fact. Laughable to people like you I guess. When all this was happening, I called the TWF many, many times. Being upset with the TWF isn't that the greenway happened, but that the TWF did not communicate and for sure did not involve hunters who wanted to be and no one had a clue about the guard rail, and they had known, many fishermen would have been involved to. Micheal Butler is no better than the worst politician I have ever met and I believe Chad has been gone for several years, but he was even worse than a politician. The only time I heard from the TWF after everything happened was when I ran into Chad in Gatlinburg, he told me the greenway issue went great in La Vergne. I laughed at him and called him an idiot. Michael or Chad never said anything to anyone about whatever dealing went on with the city of La Vergne and the corps (I wasn't the only hunter against the greenway, several years before a bunch of great land was lost in Smyrna to the park near Gilsville). ZERO communication and Chad told me the TWF suggested the guard rail along Stones River Rd. Know what good that did? Nothing. He said it was to prevent the 4 wheelers from riding on the WMA, it did not prevent any 4 wheelers using the WMA, actually made it worse I think. 4 Wheelers are on the WMA all the time. Also, the 2 people, Jerry Gann and Robin Grubb who worked for La Vergne parks, pushing the greenway were liars and lied to my face, I wish I would have recorded what they told me in person and then later on the same day they the said the exact opposite when they were interviewed by Jerry Barlar from channel 2, after he walked the creek and interviewed me, Robin and Jerry said 2 completely different things). They told me, on more than one occasion, they intended to end all hunting in the La Vergne city limits, especially on the WMA. They told Jerry Barlar (after he interviewed me) a few hours later that they did not want to see any loss of hunting land and wanted to work with the hunters. They bold faced lied and even after they said that in the interview that was televised, they would see me around La Vergne and tell me to enjoy hunting, because the days of hunting in La Vergne were ending. Jerry Gann and Robin Grubb (and other reps from several other cities from around middle Tennessee actually went to the state legislature to try change control of hunting inside city limits to each city government, luckily that was shot down), I remember Robin and Jerry laughing at me and telling me they would make sure I would get arrested if I got caught hunting on the WMA inside the city limits. Sorry, Steve, you are wrong, you need to research something before you call it laughable. And mine is not the only bad experience with the TWF either. When all this happened, I was told the TWF would be no help when it came to the greenway. Not because of it being Bart Gordon's pet, but because the TWF is useless. I did not believe the people who told me that at the time, but they were correct. [/QUOTE]
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